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Post by Hereiss Aelori on Oct 31, 2014 10:24:50 GMT -8
 I believe I made this point earlier. The coconut is not heavy, yes, but when dropped from a large height it could easily be fatal. What I observed in the Lounge that lead me to believe this is a small strand of brown thread hanging off the chandelier. I believe the culprit attached the coconut to the chandelier with their rope and hung it up from a large height so it would prove fatal upon dropping on the culprit's head. Believe me when I say the bruise on Shing's head was heavy enough to be fatal. Although this doesn't change much... the culprit would still require a knife to inflict the stab wounds.  I think that the culprit for Shing's murder is not Siren. When you look at the weight of the items involved alone, a Kitchen Knife, Lamp, Coconut, and Rope would be far too much for a single person to carry. Although it could be as Rin says, that Siren was setting up for a murder and was interrupted by the time reversal... I believe there is still too much uncertainty to reach a conclusion at this point. |
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Post by The City [EclipseZwolf] on Oct 31, 2014 10:32:18 GMT -8
I fear we have reached an Impasse. I must call upon the mastermind for clarification.
HEY! WOULD THE HOODED MAN PLEASE CONFIRM THE HEIGHT OF THE ROOF IN THE LOUNGE. WHILE MANY ITEMS DROPPED FROM A HIGH ENOUGH HEIGHT COULD KILL SOMEONE I MUST DETERMINE IF THE COCONUT, OR ANYTHING FOR THE MATTER, WOULD HAVE HAD ENOUGH TIME TO REACH TERMINAL VELOCITY!
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Post by King V on Oct 31, 2014 10:41:59 GMT -8
Game Physics Clarification:
In order for instantaneous death by blunt-force trauma to occur, the culprit must be using an item of around 4 weight, and must apply a great force on it. A drop from a large height could be used to substitute for the force, but not the weight.
As for the height of the Lounge, I cannot measure the exact height, but I can assure you that it is quite high.
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Oct 31, 2014 10:48:28 GMT -8
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Post by The Viscount on Oct 31, 2014 10:48:28 GMT -8
 Normally, I'd try to avoid using verbal bullets like this. But I feel this is necessary to back up Kirigiri's claims, and therefore, assure everyone.  Verbal Bullet - Cause of Death Shing Meteoryte was definitely killed by the coconut. My assumptions were that he was stabbed first, and then bashed once or multiple times with great force by the coconut, but with the blood as it is, the coconut was definitely the fatal blow. Needless to say, the blow was bleeding, meaning Shing Meteoryte definitely died by blunt force trauma to the cranium. Whether the knife wounds were first or second, they were not the fatal wounds. The fatal wound was definitely on his head. Though, I still think the stabs were first... But that's just me... Wait a minute... |
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Oct 31, 2014 10:51:34 GMT -8
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Post by The Viscount on Oct 31, 2014 10:51:34 GMT -8
.gif) Oh. Now that I have that info... A trap definitely did not kill Shing. So I stress my theory once again.  Shing was stabbed multiple times in the back, and the finishing blow or blows were dealt by the coconut! There was no trap. Just a final blow right to the head! |
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Post by John Dark Souls on Oct 31, 2014 11:17:13 GMT -8
Well then, let me give you some clarifications. Lets see...
Miss Rin Kaenbyou, you assume throughout this escapade you have dreamed up for me that I had washed the bloody clothing; when the clothing found in room 1 were evidently still bloody from what I've heard.
And now, about the rope apparently hidden in my room, I believe Sir Kaito Kid can answer that. During the investigation period, he requested entrance to my room, which I allowed. He searched it for a bit, before leaving.
It is assumed that I first killed The deceased, Sir Shing Meteoryte, stabbing the knife into his back, and then killed Chairy Potter... With the same knife? Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe the knife was left in Sir Meteoryte's back. And I don't believe any other knives were stolen from the kitchen. Again, correct me if I am incorrect. Therefore, how would this make sense? Are you saying I would have had time to stab him multiple times AFTER the murder of Sir Chairy Potter? Or are you saying I simply put the knife back into his back?
And now that I finished with the accused...
If one looks over the body of Meteoryte you will notice that his front is completely soaked in blood, while his back has blood concentrated only near the knife wounds. As was apparent there was a pool of blood in the lounge and what look like drag marks. Using that blood pool I will alter your perceptions of the Instantaneous death bullet.
The bullet claims that Shing died instantly. You claim the coconut is what killed him so its obvious when the Coconut connected it ended his life in a single blow. Unless I am mistaken, that coconut isn't terribly heavy. It would barely leave a bruise if it was dropped on your head and you claim that such a blow killed him? I propose that Meteoryte was stabbed PRIOR to death, but none of the knife injuries were immediately fatal. He was laid out on the floor for a time allowing blood to pool beneath him, soaking his front side. The killer arrived and finished him off with the coconut and then dragged him to the hallway.
Meteoryte died INSTANTLY upon contact with the coconut, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THE COCONUT STRUCK HIM FIRST!!!
On a side note that might be related. Did anybody piece together the ceramic shards in the Lounge to find out what they were before becoming shards?
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Oct 31, 2014 11:24:19 GMT -8
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Post by The Viscount on Oct 31, 2014 11:24:19 GMT -8
Forgive me, but I've thought of something very possible. And this is what I would like to say. This murder has two culprits! Let's see... Someone who has something to gain from killing Shing, someone who could kill him without getting bloodied, someone who could have set up a trap like that... Someone who could have killed without just the coconut... How about I consider a missing murder weapon? All of these and other parts of the murder... Who better to do this than a complete master of illusions? That's right... Kaito Kid! I hereby formally indict you for the murder of Mr. Shing Meteoryte! |
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Post by Ryohei Sasagawa[Hero] on Oct 31, 2014 11:33:08 GMT -8
Game Physics Clarification: In order for instantaneous death by blunt-force trauma to occur, the culprit must be using an item of around 4 weight, and must apply a great force on it. A drop from a large height could be used to substitute for the force, but not the weight. As for the height of the Lounge, I cannot measure the exact height, but I can assure you that it is quite high. |
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Post by The City [EclipseZwolf] on Oct 31, 2014 11:54:18 GMT -8
It is not impossible that Shing was killed by Kaito, but what evidence do you have that points to that fact? You hint at many details but do not elaborate on any of them, but accuse Kaito under the pretense of him being a complete master of illusions. Look at his title, Ultimate Phantom Thief, where in there does the word illusion appear?
If you want to continue accusing Kaito I need to see some evidence instead of implying that through magical shenanigans he did it, kept clean, and perfectly hid the evidence. |
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Post by Hereiss Aelori on Oct 31, 2014 12:23:59 GMT -8
 The theory that Shing was stabbed first, then killed by a blow to the head has some merit. However, there is no place in this theory where the trap in the Lounge fits in... It's also strange that the coconut dropped from a large height would not kill instantly. Perhaps the coconut was used as a red herring and something else was dropped? But then the culprit would need an item of 4 weight to use in their trap... Apollo Justice, while your accusation of Kaito Kid is interesting, like Togami mentioned, you have no evidence supporting your claims. If you can back up your theory, I would like to hear it. |
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Post by The City [EclipseZwolf] on Oct 31, 2014 12:50:23 GMT -8
One last point on the trap idea. Lets assume that the killer did manage to get some item high enough to drop on and kill someone. We keep talking about this trap, but how in the world did this trap work and what triggered it? Hagakure destroyed the lights with Ceramic plates, by throwing them at the lights. Someone saw and verified that Hagakure was throwing plates at the chandelier. They did not witness any strange contraptions or coconuts in the room at the time, I hope they would have mentioned it if they did. Which means that the person who built the trap had to do it in the dark! Unless one of you has a portable light source, I would find it very difficult to construct a trap at the highest point of the room that triggers to drop something on someone's head precisely in pitch black darkness. Unless someone can prove the trap was constructed before the lights were out or show me the existence of a portable light source I will not acknowledge the use of a complex trap in this case. |
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Post by Pokedude12 on Oct 31, 2014 12:57:27 GMT -8
 Hey! I didn't even aim at the lights when I threw my plates! They were totally intact when I had finished!  ... But it is true that I had made a mess in there... |
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Post by The City [EclipseZwolf] on Oct 31, 2014 13:03:18 GMT -8
 Then what were you throwing plates at in there you ignoramus!! If you respond with aliens then you can expect me to completely ignore you for the rest of our lives! |
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Post by Pokedude12 on Oct 31, 2014 13:08:07 GMT -8
 Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarghhh!!  Th-they promised...! Th-the aliens promised to save me if I did it!! Y-you gotta believe me, Togs!! |
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Post by The City [EclipseZwolf] on Oct 31, 2014 13:16:33 GMT -8
-Togami attempts to flip his pedestal with all the strength he can muster. It doesn't budge-  -Togami appears to be frothing at the mouth slightly and walks away. Doing his best to retain complete composure.- |
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