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Post by Ryohei Sasagawa[Hero] on Oct 30, 2014 19:54:25 GMT -8
, I thinkVERBAL BULLET: "You see Hagakure sliding a note under a door" now I read the rules and they tell me the one who planned the whole thing is responsible and so I saw Hagakure sliding a note under a door meaning it could have been his plan or maybe he killed one while siren did the other this is just to blow hole in theory...I still think the actual how the murder was committed sounds plausible but this Verbal bullet was burning a hole in my pocket...also now that I think about it whos to say he didn't lock the door before going to kill shing and when time reversed he found himself in his room...
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Oct 30, 2014 19:58:33 GMT -8
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Post by The Viscount on Oct 30, 2014 19:58:33 GMT -8
I think we can all agree here that the note was the prophecy Sen recieved, and that it was slid under Sen's door... But it doesn't matter. Hagakure was inactive the times the murders were committed. He couldn't have done it, and I stand by that fact.
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Post by Hereiss Aelori on Oct 30, 2014 20:15:07 GMT -8
I think we can conclude that Chairy Potter's murder was done by Siren at this point. Now the question is, who murdered Shing Meteoryte. If we assume a trap was set up in the Lounge, the culprit must have somehow obtained rope to make it work. I believe there was a coil of rope in one of the extra player rooms. However, I did not find any traces of rope in my investigation. I assume the culprit hid the rope used for their trap somewhere... any further speculations as to what was done with the trap are beyond me.
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Oct 30, 2014 20:39:37 GMT -8
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Post by The Viscount on Oct 30, 2014 20:39:37 GMT -8
As for Shing's death... Well, he was stabbed multiple times, and there was a lot of blood from it, meaning he was stabbed multiple times before death (sorry, editing because i forgot this part, asked c first though). And while he was on the couch, too. But the finishing blow was definitely from the coconut, so he either tried to run away and triggered it, or was just bashed in the head a few times. I think that he was bashed a few times though. I find it hard to believe that one, they would remove only part of the trap, and two, that they would rely on a trap when it's possible something doesn't go their way. I think maybe, if there was a trap, that it was already triggered, and the killer, Siren, just picked it up and bashed Shing in the head, just like I stated in my theory.
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Post by Hereiss Aelori on Oct 30, 2014 20:50:17 GMT -8
"Your logic is flawed!" VERBAL BULLET - INSTANTANEOUS DEATH Shing Meteoryte was killed instantly! The cause of death was blunt force trauma from the coconut as I previously mentioned. It's perfectly reasonable for the culprit to have used a trap in the Lounge. After all, the Lounge was completely dark before the murder occurred. I believe the culprit used the darkness to their advantage, or even set up the Lounge to be a dark room, specifically so they could set up a trap inside. With the trap set up, the coconut would have been dropped from a large height, killing Shing instantly as soon as he triggered it.
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Oct 30, 2014 20:59:12 GMT -8
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Post by The Viscount on Oct 30, 2014 20:59:12 GMT -8
Wh... WHAAAAAAAAAT? There's no way that can be right! There was a lot of blood coming from his wounds! If he were dead at that point, the amount of blood left behind would have been far less... I think. It's absolutely true that the coconut was the finishing blow... But how was there that much blood if he was already dead?! This just doesn't add up...
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Post by John Dark Souls on Oct 30, 2014 22:47:42 GMT -8
Hmmmmmmmm... You know, if we listen to Kirigiri here and consider her arguments about blunt wound being lethal to Shing and a trap being set in the Lounge to be true, another picture can be seen in this trial. What, if Shing wasn't killed before Chairy? What if double murder wasn't planned? What if the culprit only ever wanted to kill a single person? Kaito Kid mentioned that someone tried to bait him to go to the Lounge. We all remember that strange phenomenon of time being reversed. I pieced all the fragments in my head and this is the theory that I got:
Everything started when the murderer thought up a plan to lure Kaito Kid into the Lounge with the thing he wanted more than any jewels he could steal any day any time, the spade... The culprit decided to lay a trap for him in the Lounge that would trigger and kill him once he enters. The culprit successfully managed to prepare everything for the plan. Now they needed to bait him. They left the message and banged on his door and likely have hid somewhere where they could observe his actions. They stalked him until he finally bit the bait. Now they only needed to pretend to just be passing by while he went and killed himself on the trap. And indeed he did get to the trap! And indeed he was killed by it! But... Something nobody expected happened... Time got reversed.
Fearing that Kaito Kid survived but still wanting to kill someone no matter what, culprit changed their target. They decided to kill Chairy Potter... Most likely culprit knocked on his door and then as he walked out, whacked his head with a lamp or something and then slashed his throat with a Kitchen Knife. The culprit must've got much blood on their clothes and immediately went to change them into the Extra Room 1 where they left their old clean clothes. The culprit changed into their old clothes and left the bloody ones in the room as Kaito Kid has mentioned earlier. Then, when leaving the room, culprit noticed that Kaito Kid was indeed alive... And that meant that trap that was still in the Lounge needed to be deactivated. Thus the culprit hurried to the Lounge. But it was there that the culprit noticed... Another person went and got into the trap and was instantaneously killed ... And that person was none other than Shing Meteorite...
The culprit didn't waste their time. Be it because the darkness didn't allow them to confirm Shing's death or because they wanted to leave a red herring, or simply because they were flustered, the culprit stabbed the already dead corpse multiple times and left the knife in. But that action got blood on their old clean clothes! Thus they must've hurriedly wiped them on the sofa nearby causing those bloody smears... Afterwards, the culprit proceeded to remove the trap and take the rope to eliminate evidence of the trap. Done with the rope, the culprit left Lounge and headed for the Laundry Room to wash their bloody clothes and take a change of new clothes. Having used soap bottle to wash their old clothes as is supported by Hagakure's argument. Then they just slipped into the commotion caused by 2 corpse announcements and safely got around to their room and hid the rope there. The deed was done. BUT! There was a major flaw... Whether it was because they couldn't wash off the blood in the end or because the clothes didn't dry up by the time of trial, I don't know, but culprit didn't wear their original clothes to it. They wore the clean new clothes they got from the Laundry... And there is only one person who matches all these facts as well as was seen near crime scenes at the time of murders by at least 2 people... And that person is...
Siren Sings! You are the culprit!
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Oct 31, 2014 4:13:54 GMT -8
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Post by The Viscount on Oct 31, 2014 4:13:54 GMT -8
...The defense objects to the stealing of his thing! But, I will admit, that is much more likely than my theory. Should Shing have been stabbed shortly after death, I do believe the blood wouldn't have stopped immediately. I don't know, I'm a defense attorney, not a freaking medical doctor. But yes, I agree with the statements made by Rin. All in all, the result is the same whether the vote ends mow or later. But I won't accept anything but the full truth from this trial. Siren Sings! I call you to the stand! Refute the claims, or confess your crimes!
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Post by Siren on Oct 31, 2014 4:51:13 GMT -8
I see I have been accused while unable to defend myself. No matter. Miss Rin Kaenbyou, you assume throughout this escapade you have dreamed up for me that I had washed the bloody clothing; when the clothing found in room 1 were evidently still bloody from what I've heard. (Couldn't access a computer during investigation, sorry m(__)m) And now, about the rope apparently hidden in my room, I believe Sir Kaito Kid can answer that. During the investigation period, he requested entrance to my room, which I allowed. He searched it for a bit, before leaving. (I have Skype on mobile so I could perform this action.) One more thing... It is assumed that I first killed The deceased, Sir Shing Meteoryte, stabbing the knife into his back, and then killed Chairy Potter... With the same knife? Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe the knife was left in Sir Meteoryte's back. And I don't believe any other knives were stolen from the kitchen. Again, correct me if I am incorrect. Therefore, how would this make sense? Are you saying I would have had time to stab him multiple times AFTER the murder of Sir Chairy Potter? Or are you saying I simply put the knife back into his back? (OOC: I'm sorry, but I have school which means I won't be able to reply for anywhere between 10-12 hours with my stupid after school band sectional rehearsals. T.T) (EDIT OOC: Sorry!!! Still getting a hang of things, didn't know the verbal bullet rule. m(__)m)
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Oct 31, 2014 4:56:04 GMT -8
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Post by The Viscount on Oct 31, 2014 4:56:04 GMT -8
... Three. Three knives are missing. That means two are unaccounted for... I think. You still could have used the knives. And simple, I can tell you what happened to the clothes. Nighttime was declared. Even if you tried, you could not wash your clothes... So you had to hide them.
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Post by King V on Oct 31, 2014 6:44:14 GMT -8
A quick announcement regarding the usage of Verbal Bullets.
Verbal Bullets are given to players by the mastermind in the form of "Verbal Bullet - texthere". If you do not receive a pm from the mastermind with this verbal bullet format, then you do not have any valid verbal bullets that you can use.
Making arguments is fine, just remember that Verbal Bullets are absolute truths that can only be obtained from the mastermind.
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Post by Daiwa Scarlet on Oct 31, 2014 9:39:35 GMT -8
Perhaps a devil's proof, but the culprit may have access to rooms that the majority doesn't. There have been keys floating around, but have any new rooms been opened to everyone?
Such a wasteful use of knives... but they can probably be wiped clean without water. After all, who would notice another bloody cloth by the mannequin or stain on the couch.
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Post by The City [EclipseZwolf] on Oct 31, 2014 9:45:10 GMT -8
Though you have the eyes of detective they can still miss the truth! But it cannot hide from ME! If one looks over the body of Meteoryte you will notice that his front is completely soaked in blood, while his back has blood concentrated only near the knife wounds. As was apparent there was a pool of blood in the lounge and what look like drag marks. Using that blood pool I will alter your perceptions of the Instantaneous death bullet. The bullet claims that Shing died instantly. You claim the coconut is what killed him so its obvious when the Coconut connected it ended his life in a single blow. Unless I am mistaken, that coconut isn't terribly heavy. It would barely leave a bruise if it was dropped on your head and you claim that such a blow killed him? I propose that Meteoryte was stabbed PRIOR to death, but none of the knife injuries were immediately fatal. He was laid out on the floor for a time allowing blood to pool beneath him, soaking his front side. The killer arrived and finished him off with the coconut and then dragged him to the hallway. Meteoryte died INSTANTLY upon contact with the coconut, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THE COCONUT STRUCK HIM FIRST!!!
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Post by The City [EclipseZwolf] on Oct 31, 2014 9:49:12 GMT -8
On a side note that might be related. Did anybody piece together the ceramic shards in the Lounge to find out what they were before becoming shards?
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Post by Ryohei Sasagawa[Hero] on Oct 31, 2014 10:17:42 GMT -8
Ahh....yes I actually did find out what the ceramic shards had been originally it was deemed to have looked like to have come from plates...
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