Trial 1 - Christie

[John Dark Souls]

Apr 6, 2023 16:40:51 GMT -8 Grug said:

"Such a fascinating story Ynes, if only it made much sense."

"Now, admittedly, because nobody else here was in the kitchen at the same time I was, you do have to take me at my word in being in the kitchen. However, it would've been impossible to 'sneak out under the cover of darkness' because we in the kitchen used candles and flashlights to do our job in spite of the blackout."

"However, I again appreciate that you can't just take me at my word in relation to that, so let's assume that you're right and I did take a knife without it being noticed as missing, sneak out of the kitchen, kill Christie and return to the kitchen to clean myself and the weapon whilst also leaving behind red herrings and avoiding notice by the people who, based on Hu Tao's testimony, were there 4 minutes before the currently unchallenged believed time of murder and for all we know may still have been there at the actual time of murder."

"So assuming all that did actually happen, I then managed to clean both the murder weapon and my clothes in the main kitchen's dishwashing sink, yes? I'm not sure how familiar you are with a kitchen's dishwashing capabilities Ynes, but those don't come with the things needed to properly clean bloodstained clothing. To do that I'd have likely needed the laundry facilities on Deck 2, and seeing as the lights came back on at 9:44PM and reception shows I only went to Deck 2 at 10:13PM, I would've somehow had to get all the way to the laundry room with bloodied clothing without that being noticed and without making any form of mess, all while having the lights on."

"I'm glad you found it fascinating. Lets try to give it some more sense then, shall we?"
 
"What if instead cleaning at at the kitchen sink, you went and cleaned in our 5th prince servant bathroom, after murdering the victim. That is of course, after taking the murder knife from the kitchen to kill victim is. Timeline-wise, this was shortly before both me and Otto entered the hallway. The commotion Prince Tserriednich heard was you walking into Foyer before then searching for victim. Then you with your bloody weapon walked through the hallway where both me and Otto were there alread, but before Huttie arrived. You entered our guest quarters and went straight for servant bathrooms and cleaned yourself and the weapon. After that, but shortly before Otto and I left, you slipped out and returned to the kitchen and put the knife back where you took it. Right before the light turned back up."

"Something like this would make sense, I guess?"

[Grug]

"Very well, time for another exercise in tedium."

"Skipping over the fact that I would've somehow had to get past you and Otoshin without you noticing me with all the same characteristics I said to Ynes and got to the servant bathrooms without making a mess, you seem to be forgetting that our servant bathrooms lack the resources needed to actually properly wash bloodstained clothes, which again leads to the same problem Ynes' kitchen theory had of me having to get to deck 2's laundry with bloodied clothes while the lights were on without being caught."

[Daiwa Scarlet]

"Did anyone get around to checking the laundry and royal laundry rooms?"

[Karenina]

"Perhaps... the murder was not bloody enough to account for bloodstained clothing... Had it been spraying blood all over the murderer... surely we would have had found blood splatters on the door of the crime scene... And it would leave so much more than a simple dripping blood trail heading towards the Prince rooms... Yet there were no such blood splatters on the door. All that remains is but a tiny smudge... And some very tame dripping from a bloody blade down the hallway..."

"Had the murderer been as bloody as we claim... Surely they would have left more bloodstains... Surely they would have left a bloodprint on one of the other door handles... I believe... The only thing that was bloody about the murder was the weapon... and the one hand they used to commit the sin with... Everything else... clean. Clean..."

[Arie Camillia]

"Enough, I am through with this trial and these games."


"Ruka and Otoshin are accomplices to Christie's murder. Ruka and Otoshin can easily cover for each other during the critical time, where they were both in the hallway. We have no means of disproving an example of Ruka running into the 5th Prince bathroom to clean up, with Otoshin watching the entire thing. In fact, the 5th prince bathroom has been cleaned, and therefore must have been used as part of the murder cleanup, as Otoshin so furiously pushed for. Ruka runs to the bathroom, not visibly bloody due to blackout, yet Otoshin knows that Ruka has committed a murder at this point and chooses to remain silent about this. Otoshin would later run back to Prince Tserriednich according to the Prince’s testimony, and Ruka belatedly meets up with Hu Tao and Tubeppa, acting like nothing happened.



Once more, we have very little options as to the route the murder took after Christie was killed. We have firmly established that, as of this moment, Prince Tubeppa’s suite is the main candidate for a site where our killer washed up and replaced their weapon. If Ruka did not leave at all during the critical period when the murder took place, no one else entered the hall besides Hu Tao who was confirmed by Prince Tubeppa to have been in the lab conversing with her, and I quote, “there was never a point in time after I entered the hallway where I was in the hallway and Ruka was not,” there must be a ghost that’s committed this murder then? Consistently throughout this trial, Ruka and Otoshin have been contradicting each other’s testimonies. First it’s Otoshin screaming “this conversation never happened,” and next it’s Ruka saying that she was “busy talking to someone in the hallway.” Or what about the time that Otoshin was having a panic attack, screaming about how he never saw Hu Tao except for in the engine room, yet they both entered the Prince Hallways at nearly the same time according to the reception logs, and Hu Tao even mentioned seeing both Ruka and Otoshin in the hall? Surely someone here must be lying.



Simple Occam’s razor: Ruka and Otoshin are accomplices to the murder and are vouching for each other to waste our time in this trial. This means that it does not matter what time the murder happened, since both seem to be intent on misdirecting and both are able to cover for each other. We have a definitive time period where it could have taken place, and in that time the only two people in the hallway were Otoshin and Ruka. If there was another person there, which both of them should have been able to see entering, surely they would have pointed them out by now but they only seem to be interested in saving themselves from the guillotine.



I refuse to run circles with lies and trickery anymore than I already have. I have reasonable suspicion to argue for Otoshin being involved in this crime, as he not only entered Prince Tubeppa’s suite but all the Prince suites prior to the murder. He also checked the bathroom prior to the body discovery and after. What reason would he have to enter anyone else’s suites if he does not have the premeditation to commit murder? If you wish to contradict these testimonies again, be my guest, but it will not save you from the guillotine.

[Daiwa Scarlet]

"Although they claim to have not moved at all, none in the ballroom had confirmed the presence of the other two. As such, I would like to accuse Gat E. Keeper. He was often found around doors, so it would be easiest for him to slip out unnoticed and pull off this crime. From what I can remember, he was blocking the most direct passage to the prince hallway. Assuming some flexibility in the timeline of 10 to 15 minutes, he could have carried out the murder prior to Ruka and Otoshin's conversation. He decided to take a knife from Tubeppa's kitchen to try and pin the blame on myself, as he saw the knife during the concert. It would take between 15 to 20 minutes for him to get a knife from kitchen, stab Christine, clean the knife, and return to his post in the ballroom. This keeps in line with choco bat's claim that he was there before and after the blackout."

[King V]

"I-I can see there's been some confusion... allow me to clarify things as best I can..."

"I am, in fact, carrying a lamp as a light source and I was using said light source for the entire duration of the blackout, although I admit... it would be hard to see a small trail of blood droplets in the dark, even with a light source. But! The lights turned back on while I was still in the hallway, so surely I would have seen or heard something while I was standing in the hallway for over a minute."

"The fact that I didn't hear the commotion that Prince Carmilla and Prince Tserriednich both claim to have heard must mean that the commotion happened before I entered the hallway. There was also nothing broken around Christie in the foyer, and there was no sign of a struggle, this means that the murder likely was not the thing that caused the commotion, and the time that the commotion happened was not the same time that the murder happened. The murder probably happened after the commotion was heard."

"Since the time of death is somewhat ambiguous, then the alibi for Ruka and I is somewhat shaky, but Prince Tserriednich can confirm that I entered his room immediately after I claim to have left Ruka in the prince hallway, and I stayed there until the body was found. Th-this proves that at the very least, I am innocent, and I did not witness the murder or have any hand in helping the murderer as the murder did not happen until I had left the hallway."

[Barrett Bear, esq.]

Apr 6, 2023 19:51:00 GMT -8 Chatt said:

I have not heard a truly good defense for 01. He turns off the lights, heads up to the upper deck. The timing in the logs can match this, so I need a better defense from the man himself. The theory is as follows: He turns off the lights, books it to the upper floors, stabs Christie, makes a false trail to the lower Prince's chambers, then heads to Benjamin's room to clean up using the servant quarters. Or, if we insist on using Tubeppa's bathrooms for some reason, he used those bathrooms. As for the knife, perhaps he threw it out a window or simply hid it very very well. He had a lot of time to do so.

"I believed it was very clear that I couldn't have participated — or at the very least, couldn't have been the murderer. I remained in the electrical room to persuade the staff from turning on the lights. Indeed, shortly after I left (an action witnessed by our dear friend Vincent,) the lights were returned to working order. Unless you suggest I was darting back and forth, in and out of electrical and across three decks, unseen only until someone saw me exiting that room, this theory is ridiculous and can easily be dismissed."

[Chatt]

Fourth Prince Tserriednich: "It seems like the only theories left are Gat and the Ruka-Otoshin theory? I think we may have some timeline issues. Carmilla and I both heard a commotion quite early on in the blackout. As such, I think that the murder happened 15 minutes earlier than what you folks have been saying. So, if we check the logs, Otoshin wasn't there on deck 1. He came back around 15 minutes before the blackout ended, over halfway through it. I think perhaps we were focused too much on the latter 15 minutes instead of the first.

Sadly, I believe Ruka was still on deck 1 alone during that time, though, and no one can account for them. That means that Jekyll's theory can still hold during that timeline. As such ... I think our final voting ticket is Ruka without hard evidence, and abstaining?