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Post by Daiwa Scarlet on Apr 5, 2023 12:19:39 GMT -8
"I've another point I wish to bring up, which might be relevant for future trials, would be that the reception might miss Princess Carmilla and her guards. It is less likely this time, unless we believe this was a case of one of her guards murdering another."
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Post by John Dark Souls on Apr 5, 2023 18:28:23 GMT -8
"You know, I just got this sudden urge to say it, so here we go." "What if the culprit was Kaede. I didn't see her present at the concert, so she must've spent the time away preparing and cleaning our bathroom to frame the guards of 5th prince. After that she used our secret passage to go through staff hallways to get to deck 3 and obtained fillet knife while avoiding creating the logs in reception, after all, I did notice from the way dust laid that our secret passage has been used before during investigation. After that she returned normally to Deck 1 to commit the murder, the log she said was her leaving was actually her returning. Then, she went to her Foyer and met the victim, that's when blackout happened and after pondering it for a bit she impulse killed Christie. She left after and went straight to reception, this time, using her follower power to bypass the check. Then when Camilla called her, she first went to clean up and return the knife somewhere on deck 3, and only after returned and followed through actions we know she did. This is a what if by the way, just a what if..." "Now that I think about it, she might've caused the first blackout then too to get the knife unnoticed... If we go with that 'what if' that is..." |
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Post by Arie Camillia on Apr 5, 2023 18:53:26 GMT -8
Jekyll blinks a few times and stares at Ruka.
"Hm. This makes sense. The Second Prince's chosen follower ability allows them to navigate the ship unseen to the other guards, and if that were the case she plausibly could have used the passageway without being detected by Prince Tubeppa during the blackout."
"If this were the case, though, how would this work with the body announcement? In order for us to have a body discovery announcement, three people outside of the Princes must discover the victim. This count can include the killer. If we are to go by Prince Carmilla's testimony, she first found the body, followed by Kaede and Knight of Despair entering the suite. This is only two people, however, and would not fulfill the requirements for a body discovery announcement to be made."
"Therefore, the killer must be someone outside of these two individuals if we are going off of that testimony. Likewise, if we are believing this theory to be true, we are missing someone who discovered the body."
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Post by Satori on Apr 5, 2023 19:13:35 GMT -8
"You know, I just got this sudden urge to say it, so here we go." "What if the culprit was Kaede. I didn't see her present at the concert, so she must've spent the time away preparing and cleaning our bathroom to frame the guards of 5th prince. After that she used our secret passage to go through staff hallways to get to deck 3 and obtained fillet knife while avoiding creating the logs in reception, after all, I did notice from the way dust laid that our secret passage has been used before during investigation. After that she returned normally to Deck 1 to commit the murder, the log she said was her leaving was actually her returning. Then, she went to her Foyer and met the victim, that's when blackout happened and after pondering it for a bit she impulse killed Christie. She left after and went straight to reception, this time, using her follower power to bypass the check. Then when Camilla called her, she first went to clean up and return the knife somewhere on deck 3, and only after returned and followed through actions we know she did. This is a what if by the way, just a what if..." "Now that I think about it, she might've caused the first blackout then too to get the knife unnoticed... If we go with that 'what if' that is..."  " Are you questioning my loyalty to Lady Carmilla? Like I mentioned earlier. Killing one of my fellow guardsmen makes no strategic sense since Carmilla will have less people protecting her making her more vulnerable and I would never do anything that would put her at a disadvantage. After all. I am Lady Carmilla's most loyal and capable guard!" She then hears what Jekyll said. "At least this girl has some common sense. I couldn't have done this murder simply because I was one of the 2 people confirmed to have discovered the body with the 3rd one being unaccounted for." |
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Post by John Dark Souls on Apr 5, 2023 20:18:59 GMT -8
"Are you questioning my loyalty to Lady Carmilla? Like I mentioned earlier. Killing one of my fellow guardsmen makes no strategic sense since Carmilla will have less people protecting her making her more vulnerable and I would never do anything that would put her at a disadvantage. After all. I am Lady Carmilla's most loyal and capable guard!"
She then hears what Jekyll said.
"At least this girl has some common sense. I couldn't have done this murder simply because I was one of the 2 people confirmed to have discovered the body with the 3rd one being unaccounted for."
"And you two are exactly correct. Sorry, just wanted to pull a small prank on you for not visiting the concert. Teheperinko~" "But now that we got that out of the way, I hope nobody will have any doubts about Kaekae, good listener girl and by extension Ynny being clean for this one~" |
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Post by Daiwa Scarlet on Apr 5, 2023 21:35:49 GMT -8
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Post by Xaniks on Apr 5, 2023 22:25:16 GMT -8
"Both the 4th and 5th prince's bathrooms were very recently and meticulously cleaned, so it didn't matter which one I used. There's also no way I could have known Prince Tubeppa is usually in her lab, away from the bathroom, and there's no way I would've known Prince Tserriednich usually sits in the living room and would give me away if I ran through there. It's not like I checked all the princes' rooms a day before the murder happened or anything, that'd be ridiculous!" "Private, dear, did you say that those bathrooms were cleaned since the day before? If that is the case, then your observation of them as such is not decisively tied to the crime!" |
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Post by King V on Apr 6, 2023 5:59:58 GMT -8
"Yes, yes of course. The 5th prince's bathroom is completely unrelated to the murder! I don't even know why I brought that up in the first place... hahahahaha... silly me, it must have been a mistake."
"The murderer must have used a different method of cleaning off the blood. They must have used one of the other princes' bathrooms! Except... princes 1-3 had no traces of their servant bathrooms being recently used or being cleaned... so they must have used prince 4's bathroom! But Prince Tserriednich didn't notice anyone come into his room... so the murderer must have doubled back and used the kitchen to clean off the blood! But that doesn't make much sense either, because how would they know to double back after the blood trail stopped? And wasn't Albert camping in the kitchen, and thus would have noticed? A-aha...! I know! The murderer must have gone into the 5th prince's room, but they didn't use the servant bathroom, they used the kitchen in there to clean off the blood! Yes, that must have been how they did it... but wait, isn't that basically the same as using the servant bathroom, just with slightly more steps? Nah, that can't be it."
"I guess we have no idea how the murderer cleaned off the blood! I mean, it's not like they just entered the 5th prince's servant bathrooms and cleaned it off, since, like I said previously, the bathroom was very recently and meticulously cleaned. There's no way that's the case. I think this murder is unsolveable everyone!" |
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Post by Xaniks on Apr 6, 2023 7:20:11 GMT -8
”You seem fixated on my second statement, but you didn’t answer my question!” |
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Post by King V on Apr 6, 2023 7:23:16 GMT -8
"W-well... that is to say, uh... I did check prince 5's room before the body was announced, and I checked after the body was announced as well. During one of those times that I checked, I found out the 5th prince's servant bathrooms were cleaned. Y-yup, no contradictions here!" |
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Post by Xaniks on Apr 6, 2023 7:25:24 GMT -8
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Post by King V on Apr 6, 2023 7:32:15 GMT -8
"I-I-It was... uhhhhhh..."
*Otoshin stares at Tserriednich for a couple of seconds*
"It was during the investigation... that's when I found out that Christie had been stabbed in the eye with a knife! I-I can't believe someone would murder one of our fellow guards like that! We must bring the murderer to justice...! B-but not too much justice... you know, just in case..." |
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Post by Xaniks on Apr 6, 2023 7:36:06 GMT -8
”Am I making you uncomfortable? You poor thing!”
*pat Otoshin*
“You must be feeling immense pressure as one of His Highness’ guards, Private! Are you certain you’re fit to continue serving?” |
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Post by King V on Apr 6, 2023 8:06:51 GMT -8
"Wh-why are you so invested in this bathroom? I've already answered your question multiple times... c-could it be?"
"Ynes must be the murderer! She's trying to deflect by focusing on the 5th prince's bathroom to make me look suspicious! She used a secret passageway to avoid detection via the reception room, and entered deck 1 to stab Christie, then she left through the secret passageway in Prince Tubeppa's lab! It was Ynes the entire time, we were fooled by the blood trail and the bathrooms, the secret passageway fooled all of us!" |
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Post by Arie Camillia on Apr 6, 2023 8:47:43 GMT -8
Jekyll lightly claps her hands together.
"Well, since we are nearing the end of our trial period, I believe I will put forth a new theory. I've been thinking about the different individuals on Deck 1 at the time, but this is just one of a few alternatives I have ready."
"To reiterate, if we are to believe Prince Carmilla’s testimony, we can already strike out two potential suspects: Knight of Despair and Kaede. Since Princes do not count towards the three required individuals, we must assume that the third individual to trigger the body discovery announcement was the killer. In order for one of them to have been the killer, we would need a third witness to trigger the body discovery announcement, who seems to be mysteriously missing. I see no reason why one would hide themselves in this manner, thus, we can assume that the killer is outside of this initial group of guards. With this assumption in place, we can also assume that the killer cannot escape detection by Princes or guards, as we have already ruled out all potential chosen followers of Prince Carmilla."
"With the established timeframe, we know that Ruka is among the people that were present on Deck 1 during the blackout according to the reception logs. This is also backed by Hu Tao’s testimony, where she specifically places both Otoshin and Ruka in the hallways at 9:30PM UTC. She also says she entered the lab at 9:34PM UTC, which places her far enough away from the rest of the suite to attest for Ruka’s whereabouts during the murder period. A key point of contradiction here that should be addressed is that Ruka mentions having a conversation with Otoshin, which he has vehemently denied. This means someone lied in their testimony."
"The murder takes place in the Second Prince foyer; the killer then quickly vacates the premises, as evidenced by the drip trail of blood leading towards Princes’ 3-5 suites and reception. According to Otoshin’s investigation, the only bathrooms that were cleaned recently were Prince Tserriednich’s and Tubeppa’s. However, we know that in order to access the bathroom, one must navigate through the living room. Prince Tserriednich claims to have been in the living room during the blackout and did not notice someone entering the suite, making it highly unlikely that the killer chose to wash off here, leaving Prince Tubeppa’s suite. According to Prince Tubeppa’s testimony, she may have been far enough away from the bathroom to not hear anyone entering."
"In this case, we can deduce that the potential route was from the murder in Prince Carmilla’s foyer, to the bathroom in Prince Tubeppa’s suite. Somewhere in this, it’s possible that our killer may have picked up a knife from their own suite or perhaps even after the concert when everyone has spread out across the ship. The knife could have then been washed off in the bathroom sink at the same time as they were washing the blood off themselves. With the approximate 10-minute window we’ve previously discussed between the murder and the lights turning on, this would have been plenty of time to wash off and return the knife to where it was taken. It would then be simple to assume that Ruka, who was already on Deck 1, could have committed this crime. Now why would I be accusing Ruka here and not Hu Tao if we are assuming the killer is from Prince Tubeppa’s personal guard?"
"In addition, Hu Tao mentioned conversing with Prince Tubeppa in her lab shortly before the lights turned on; in this testimony, she states that Ruka joins partway through the conversation. Thus, it can be assumed that the extra time was taken to clean up the evidence before joining her comrades in order to establish an alibi."
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