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Post by Xaniks on Apr 6, 2023 9:45:00 GMT -8
"Ynes must be the murderer!" "I was in the library with a precious knight for the entirety of the blackout." |
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Post by Arie Camillia on Apr 6, 2023 10:43:28 GMT -8
“To address my second suspect, I raise the question of whether Otoshin was the killer, bearing in mind my previous theory and its establishing points.”
“If the murder takes place at 9:34PM UTC, we have confirmation from both the reception logs and Hu Tao’s testimony that places Otoshin in the Prince Hallway minutes before the murder is set to take place (9:30PM UTC). Otoshin, however, has mentioned that only the bathrooms in Prince Tserriednich and Tubeppa’s rooms have been cleaned recently enough to be relevant to this trial. If Prince Tserriednich was in his living room and reported no one entering, then this leaves Prince Tubeppa’s suite as our most likely place of clean-up. This should normally implicate her personal guard, but Otoshin did also mention that he had checked the bathroom before and after the body was announced.
Why would Otoshin need to check these bathrooms, unless he planned to use them in a rather opportune blackout? In fact, Otoshin has gone on record to say that he checked all prince suites a day before the murder.
If both Ruka and Hu Tao vacated the hallways to join Prince Tubeppa in her lab for a conversation, all three would not be able to hear if Otoshin entered to use their bathroom and wash both himself and the knife off after killing Christie. Since he checked the Prince suites before the murder took place, he would know that Prince Tubeppa would normally reside in her lab, far away from the bathrooms, and why would her guards not also follow her to the lab? This means that Otoshin had prior knowledge and a route in place, simply taking advantage of the blackout caused by 01. With that in mind, it is no stretch of the imagination that the drip trail leading down towards reception and Prince 3-5’s rooms is simply to trick the mind into believing that Ruka, Hu Tao, or Albert would be the one responsible.
In addition, he left the concert early. If a majority of the guards and Princes were at the concert, he could have easily taken a knife from one of the kitchens or another area of the ship, killed Christie during the last blackout, and returned it under the cover of darkness after washing off.”
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Post by King V on Apr 6, 2023 11:23:30 GMT -8
"No, no, no, no, n-no it's not me! I'm not the murderer! It's not Ruka either, you're horribly mistaken!"
"If you're set on believing Hu Tao, which I mean you should why would Hu Tao lie hahaha... then that means you believe that Ruka and I were both in the prince hallways at 9:30. But I can also confirm that we were both there for at least 15 minutes until 9:45. If the murder took place at 9:34 like you say, that means neither of us were in the 2nd prince's foyer when the murder happened. And I think I would have noticed if Ruka was walking outside in the hallway dripping blood, and I'm sure she can say the same for me... right Ruka? Right...?"
"A-anyway, you're on the wrong track here. I'm innocent, Ruka's innocent, Hu Tao is most definitely innocent. Like I said before, we're the most innocent group on this ship, it can't be any of us!" |
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Post by Zote on Apr 6, 2023 11:32:41 GMT -8
"I apologise if this has already been covered, but by what means did the killer suddenly stop their blood trail? Did they remove their clothes or change the way they walked? Or, were they more akin to footprints, and they took off their shoes?
It is hard for me to visualise what actions they may have taken to halt their blood trail so abrubtly... I do not mean to be intrusive, but is it possible thinking on that may help?" |
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Post by Arie Camillia on Apr 6, 2023 11:48:10 GMT -8
"No, no, no, no, n-no it's not me! I'm not the murderer! It's not Ruka either, you're horribly mistaken!"
"If you're set on believing Hu Tao, which I mean you should why would Hu Tao lie hahaha... then that means you believe that Ruka and I were both in the prince hallways at 9:30. But I can also confirm that we were both there for at least 15 minutes until 9:45. If the murder took place at 9:34 like you say, that means neither of us were in the 2nd prince's foyer when the murder happened. And I think I would have noticed if Ruka was walking outside in the hallway dripping blood, and I'm sure she can say the same for me... right Ruka? Right...?"
"A-anyway, you're on the wrong track here. I'm innocent, Ruka's innocent, Hu Tao is most definitely innocent. Like I said before, we're the most innocent group on this ship, it can't be any of us!" "If that's the case, then how would this murder even take place if you didn't see anyone entering or leaving the hallway? I have every right to doubt you, especially since you've hidden a fair number of key points already. Do you wish to stall this trial more than it already has been?"
"If your timeline is to be trusted, then perhaps you're implicating Prince Carmilla on murdering her own guard?"
"And if Hu Tao were lying, I ask again, how else would Christie have died and for evidence to be laid out in the manner it was if you and Ruka were there until the end of the blackout?" |
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Post by King V on Apr 6, 2023 11:52:25 GMT -8
"Oh no, I believe someone must have entered and exited the hallway. Hu Tao entered and exited the prince hallway while Ruka and I were there. B-but Hu Tao isn't the murderer, of course! It could really be anyone! I really have no idea who it could be!" |
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Post by Arie Camillia on Apr 6, 2023 12:12:31 GMT -8
*Otoshin very slowly collects himself*
"Wait a minute... Hu Tao is lying, the conversation with Ruka and I never happened, as I had stated prior. I also don't recall seeing you, Hu Tao, except during our brief encounter in the engine room where I delivered you a letter."
"Was it you, Hu Tao...? Were you the one who murdered Christie, then washed away all of the evidence in the bathroom?" but you're now saying that you saw Hu Tao entering and exiting the hallway?""And if you did see Hu Tao exit the hallway, it had to have been into Prince Tubeppa's suite, no? There was no exit log from her after her entering Deck 1 at 9:28PM UTC." |
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Post by King V on Apr 6, 2023 12:22:48 GMT -8
"You're very mistaken. Of course I never saw Hu Tao on deck 1, but she claims to have seen me on deck 1 and nobody has any reason to suspect that she's lying about anything, I mean why would Hu Tao lie am I right? Therefore Hu Tao must have entered and exited the prince hallways at some point while Ruka and I were there, as there was never a point in time after I entered the hallway where I was in the hallway and Ruka was not."
"I have no idea where Hu Tao went, since, like I said before I didn't see her. But if she saw me, then she must have passed through the prince hallway at some point when I was there."
"I-I feel like we're really grasping at straws here. What's the point in asking me all of these questions? Are you trying to accuse me of something? I'll have you know that I'm completely innocent!" |
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Post by Arie Camillia on Apr 6, 2023 12:33:21 GMT -8
“Then why don’t we have Hu Tao explain the contradicting testimonies?”
”Clearly we have a conflicting testimony here.”
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Post by Quindecim/Scott on Apr 6, 2023 13:54:40 GMT -8
"I apologise if this has already been covered, but by what means did the killer suddenly stop their blood trail? Did they remove their clothes or change the way they walked? Or, were they more akin to footprints, and they took off their shoes?
It is hard for me to visualise what actions they may have taken to halt their blood trail so abrubtly... I do not mean to be intrusive, but is it possible thinking on that may help?" "Interesting question." John Paulo Augusto said more to himself. "So, after stabbing the victim, the killer didn't retrieve the weapon until he's confident that the victim is already dead. So, then he moves in closer to retrieve the weapon, only problem is, after he pulled out the knife, the blood would be pouring out fast, which was evident by the pool of blood around the victim's body when we found it. Could it be that, when he pulled the knife out, the blood hasn't spreads that wide on the floor, and he didn't stepped on the blood, which could explain why there's no bloody footprint in the room?" |
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Post by Xaniks on Apr 6, 2023 15:50:15 GMT -8
”I’ll spin a story for this tangle of truth and lies!”
“According to his own testimony, our chef Albert was present in the main kitchen on the first deck. You may consider the blood trail out of the crime scene foyer to clear his name given his positioning, but not so fast! The esteemed chef had access to the full kitchen suite, like dishwashing gloves, knife cases, apron pockets, or even a tray that he could’ve used to stow a weapon before and after the deed! It is possible that he could have snuck out from his fellows sight under cover of darkness in search of a victim.”
“It is then entirely plausible that Albert left the kitchen, stabbed Christie in the foyer, and returned to the hallway to create the blood drips there in the opposite direction as a red herring! He could have then used another kitchen item to prevent further trailing, or even simpler have flicked the filet knife in that direction, which eliminates the need for more equipment. All that is left is for him is to return to the kitchen and clean up the tools of his misdeeds and stained clothing at a dishwashing station!“
“There are some assumptions I am making, however! The most notable is that the bathroom in the 5th Prince’s room was not cleaned nor used by the culprit. Since I am not accusing Private Otoshin, I will take his testimony as truth! His claim is that this particular bathroom was cleaned recently, but that is just his observation from one of two visits he made: one from the day before and one during the investigation. Unless he decides to make it fully known, I will assume all I want about its involvement in this case for the purpose of this theory—which is to say it isn’t! Judging by his deflection to suggest that it happened during the latter timeframe while attaching it to another event as to not perjure, I shall consider it the former! Isn't this so amusing!?” |
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Post by Grug on Apr 6, 2023 16:40:51 GMT -8
"Such a fascinating story Ynes, if only it made much sense."
"Now, admittedly, because nobody else here was in the kitchen at the same time I was, you do have to take me at my word in being in the kitchen. However, it would've been impossible to 'sneak out under the cover of darkness' because we in the kitchen used candles and flashlights to do our job in spite of the blackout."
"However, I again appreciate that you can't just take me at my word in relation to that, so let's assume that you're right and I did take a knife without it being noticed as missing, sneak out of the kitchen, kill Christie and return to the kitchen to clean myself and the weapon whilst also leaving behind red herrings and avoiding notice by the people who, based on Hu Tao's testimony, were there 4 minutes before the currently unchallenged believed time of murder and for all we know may still have been there at the actual time of murder."
"So assuming all that did actually happen, I then managed to clean both the murder weapon and my clothes in the main kitchen's dishwashing sink, yes? I'm not sure how familiar you are with a kitchen's dishwashing capabilities Ynes, but those don't come with the things needed to properly clean bloodstained clothing. To do that I'd have likely needed the laundry facilities on Deck 2, and seeing as the lights came back on at 9:44PM and reception shows I only went to Deck 2 at 10:13PM, I would've somehow had to get all the way to the laundry room with bloodied clothing without that being noticed and without making any form of mess, all while having the lights on."
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Post by John Dark Souls on Apr 6, 2023 17:32:15 GMT -8
"If you're set on believing Hu Tao, which I mean you should why would Hu Tao lie hahaha... then that means you believe that Ruka and I were both in the prince hallways at 9:30. But I can also confirm that we were both there for at least 15 minutes until 9:45. If the murder took place at 9:34 like you say, that means neither of us were in the 2nd prince's foyer when the murder happened. And I think I would have noticed if Ruka was walking outside in the hallway dripping blood, and I'm sure she can say the same for me... right Ruka? Right...?" "Of course, the entire time I was in the hallway, we were within talking distance from each other. Also, I have spoken to many of you before concert, at those time, how much time and mental capacity have you had to focus on doing other things? Do you really think somebody could be able to do a murder and prep all without interrupting the talk and letting other party know? Especially this guy?" "I'm also gonna mention that after we parted ways, I went straight to Tubby's lab without making any detours. If he was the culprit, he would have had to wait for me to pass before he could go to our servant bathrooms to clean, and there would not have been enough time to do that and return in time for when Tser-, when Huttie said Prince Tserriednich mentions seeing him run in. Not to mention, nobody else could have caused the commotion mentioned except him too." "So neither of us could've committed this murder in that time frame unless you accuse us of conspiring together." “Then why don’t we have Hu Tao explain the contradicting testimonies?””Clearly we have a conflicting testimony here.” "There are no contradicting testimonies. I certainly heard that this conversation has never happened." |
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Post by Chatt on Apr 6, 2023 19:51:00 GMT -8
 Third Prince Zhang Lei: "Alright, let's take a moment here. Tserreidnich, could you please make your guard stop throwing wild accusations around anymore? It's grating on everyone. Let's recap. I have not heard a truly good defense for 01. He turns off the lights, heads up to the upper deck. The timing in the logs can match this, so I need a better defense from the man himself. The theory is as follows: He turns off the lights, books it to the upper floors, stabs Christie, makes a false trail to the lower Prince's chambers, then heads to Benjamin's room to clean up using the servant quarters. Or, if we insist on using Tubeppa's bathrooms for some reason, he used those bathrooms. As for the knife, perhaps he threw it out a window or simply hid it very very well. He had a lot of time to do so.The Kaede theory falls apart at a simple glance, the body counters do not match. Ynes and the masked woman both vouch for each other, and I have not heard a single statement of this being an assisted murder. Otoshin seems to be shakily clean as Ruka has vouched they had always seen each other during the time frame of the murder. I would ask you do so in clearer language, I get enough of this dealing with lawyers.Albert has dismantled his accusation rather well unless someone has more to add to it. Ruka and Hu Tao, I'm afraid, are unvouched, or shakily so. Did anyone else investigate the missing knives? Perhaps Hu Tao was the one who did it and is simply lying on the number of knives being missing. Ruka, Otoshin's statement says that he left multiple times, but you were there when he came back. There was a window there to commit the murder. And if Otoshin had no light source on him, he would not have noticed the blood. Have you any other defense? |
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Post by John Dark Souls on Apr 6, 2023 22:17:29 GMT -8
There was a window there to commit the murder. And if Otoshin had no light source on him, he would not have noticed the blood. Have you any other defense? "I'm sorry, but there really wasn't:" "But I can also confirm that we were both there for at least 15 minutes until 9:45. " "But as you also know..." "the lights came back on at 9:44PM"
"Not only would he most likely see me having blood on myself as soon as light came back, but there would also be no time for me to wash it off, because I joined them right after the light went back up and both of them can confirm it. There would have been no window for me to clean." |
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