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Post by The City [EclipseZwolf] on Jan 4, 2015 10:58:24 GMT -8
Didn't somebody mention a dirt trail through the lobby and such earlier? Wouldn't that entail the policemen were brought down in the streets and dragged inside? Why would the chief of police perform the act on the street when, as you all have mentioned, he could have just lured them elsewhere.
If one has a bruise on the back of their head its more likely the person attacked the four in the streets and got an initial surprise attack on one.
I would like to mention again, what in the world is letting you claim the person behind the new report is also the murderer. I see no connection besides some nonsense circumstantial theories. Show the evidence or go home, that is the rule of this verbal battle we are having.
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Post by Daedalus on Jan 4, 2015 11:07:39 GMT -8
"You seem to be misunderstanding the evidence, Adell." She breathes.
"Each and every one of the police officers had bruises around the back of their neck. Small and faint ones, as if gripped there while being held underwater. Other than that, they had no wounds to the back of the head. One has a bruise on the back of his torso, consistent with falling down hard, perhaps due to a pull or shove. As for being in the street, they were in the street because that is where they would be stationed to make sure no one in 3-1 were to exit. They would have been the first group spotted by those leaving 3-1, and therefore both the first and easiest targets."
"As the police chief lives in 3-1, they were the closest stooges for his plan. I am willing to accept that another could be the murderer if he were to match the evidence as well as Mr. Yagami, but I have found utterly no one who fits a theory so well as he."
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Post by The City [EclipseZwolf] on Jan 4, 2015 11:19:48 GMT -8
Police?
Stationed?
A who what now?
I passed through 5th street multiple times during the period of martial law, as did another person who I spoke with during that time frame. I never saw hide nor hair of any policemen there. Lets introduce another point, if someone lured them to the pool, why beat the **** out of them before drowning them? It would be easier to just pin them and hold them under. They have a number of bruises on their heads and torsos so there must have been quite a bit of hitting involved. Perhaps the lone individual with the bruise on his back suffered this fate, but not the other three.
And please explain how Yagami "fits" the theory.
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Post by The Viscount on Jan 4, 2015 11:58:20 GMT -8
*The Viscount clears his throat.*
"Adell, can you personally attest to performing thorough examinations on the bodies? Or are your statements based simply on hearsay?
"If you wish to say yes for the second one, sit down and shut up. Ms. Ayame, I'm sure you have performed the examinations, given your accurate retelling of the bruises?"
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Post by The City [EclipseZwolf] on Jan 4, 2015 12:28:45 GMT -8
I told you all earlier, I didn't get to look at the bodies long. I showed up, looked in the pool and did a basic look over of the bodies. The things I noted down were
A. I didn't recognize any of the cops B. Their eyes were rolled up, mouths wide open and full o water C. They had A LOT of circular bruises all over their chests and heads.
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Post by Daedalus on Jan 4, 2015 12:31:02 GMT -8
"Given the fact that there was minor bruising, but there was no damage to the hair on the back of the head, the bruises from the neck were faint indeed, and I saw no evidence of broken bones, I would endeavor to suggest that they were knocked unconscious before they were drowned. There was certainly not enough bruising to stand out as having had a major fight, especially in these...strange times." "That answers your reason as to why it was done as well. You may be as strong as an ox, Adell, but for one who is not, it would surely be easier to hold someone underwater who was unconscious. As the bruising on the neck indicates they held onto the skin with one hand, and the overall splashing by the pool was a small puddle, it suggests the officers likely only thrashed in the way an unconscious body thrashes when put in danger, even if it cannot consciously fight." "As an aside to you, Viscount, I have performed some examinations, yes. I took the opportunity to while the police were investigating the crime scene. They had pulled the victims out, but had not yet transported them to the morgue. I don't believe they saw me, but they might have. Now, I am no coroner, and I dearly wish to see the formal autopsy report, but these are the conclusions I reached upon my examination." Ayame turns back to Adell. "My theory, as it stands thus far, is this. Light, for some reason, decided that Keima Katsuragi needed to be removed somehow. As our friend the special agent, if that can be believed though Light himself stated it, has said, perhaps he was told to do more, or perhaps he was simply acting on his belief that Keima had incited the riot and burned down the school. Perhaps he simply wished to have less people to shout over for the Mayor's ear. Rather than simply killing Keima, then, he decided to frame him. After all, he had control of the streets, as the police had cleared them, so now was the time to act. As police chief, he would easily be able to access records of where everyone lived, at least in general. Twenty officers chased Sova to either make sure that she either stayed in her room as to provide another suspect, one which he himself has called out, or to make her resist arrest, with the same result. If we assume your testimony is correct, Adell, then it's quite possible he had already knocked the officers unconscious, but did not drown them until 6, and it was the water that caused the malfunction. After all, it would be quite easy to miss drag trails in that street if you didn't know to look for them. Sova said she left the pool in the morning, thus leaving a large gap of time for the murder to be committed. Then after the murder was done, the trail was placed to apartment 3-2, thus framing the city advisor. Finally a false news broadcast was released, containing information that it has been established either Keima or Light would know, but that implicated Keima in the arson and calling him out as a criminal. It furthermore implicated plenty of others, including Sova, as well as the Viscount, who apparently had an incident with Keima, and who reported it to?" She pauses for breath. "That's right, the police. In fact, it seemed to be a news report designed to throw implication on either Keima, or, failing that, those most likely to be blamed for trying to frame Keima... before the murder had even been announced and evidence found pointing to Keima's residence."She places her hands on the railing. "Is that a sufficient theory for you? As I said, there are others who are not above suspicion, but at the moment Light seems to be sunk down so deep in it that he needs a scuba suit." It's rare to see Ayame worked up, but at the moment she definitely is.
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Post by Yuni Shingyouji on Jan 4, 2015 12:40:07 GMT -8
Miku begins to think really hard about the evidence put forth and tries to piece it together. So far, nobody had any concrete evidence to point to anyone and link all the actions.Miku's eyes then widened as she believes she might have realized something."What if.. We're completely over-thinking things.
First of all! Yagami Light.
A couple days ago, I approached you to ask you some questions. I was wondering if you were a DICER. You asked me about the meteors and for my name, stating that you were interviewing me because you work with the Local News.
Do NOT call me a LIAR. This happened, and I want an explanation.
Second, I was never brought in for questioning for cops nor did I ever run from any pursuing me today. This morning I investigated the crime scene from 12am-6am, then chased Viscount for questioning at 6am, informed him I was going to go investigate a bit more and look into the suspicious news report, and then the trial hit shortly after.
Second of all. Where are my answers to my questions? You accuse me, slander my name and call me of all people a liar. I am a lost girl, I don't have any memory of who or what I am and I want to believe that if I'm fully honest, I can find the answers I need. But yet here you are, and ignoring my questions simultaneously. Why won't you hold a cup?
Next, I'd like to discuss something. This is called the line of coincidental events. Events that happen to effect a crime scene or investigation, but aren't related in the slightest.
First of all, is apartment 3-2. Or rather, my apartment. It is more likely for the murderer to be from 3-1 and not fair to point fingers at residents of 3-2 UNTIL someone draws the links of what the dark substance on the floor and door was. Until you can tell me what that has to do with the murder, all concrete evidence leads to apartment 3-1 and NOTHING on 3-2. Sure, weird liquid. But that could be a different matter entirely. This could be pure coincidence of another plot being undertaken, so someone might be keeping secret. However, it still could very likely not be tied to the murder in the slightest as nothing so far ties it to such.
As such! The murder is much more simple then it seems! It appears, the ONLY thing that happened in this simple murder if you stop over-thinking is... Police officers who were wounded and couldn't fight back were drowned in a pool! The murderer went into their changing rooms to change their clothes, and that ends the murder!!!
Yes, the fight marks. The bruises, even some on their fist.. I am pretty sure this is because these police officers were previously already wounded in a fight, but not by the murderer! This might be something someone took advantage of, they could have been severely beaten up by someone else! I say that that person might have been Sova, and the reason for the fist marks might even be because she stole his baton. It's entirely possible Light Yagami, as chief of police, contacted the wounded police officers over and then took them out. As they were already wounded, it would have been an extremely easy task. He could also call them all one by one, drowning them each in the pool and calling the next one back over.
Light Yagami is the chief of police. Only that position would have the power to contact wounded police officers and be able to get 4 to unquestionably meet up with him by being contacted in private.
This is exactly what I believe happened!
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Post by The City [EclipseZwolf] on Jan 4, 2015 12:44:33 GMT -8
I like the idea, one problem. I checked the bodies and all 4 of them had their gear. They all had badges, batons, and cell phones. And I saw Sova with a badge and Baton. So its unlikely that the police officer who lost those items to Sova was also killed later.
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Post by Yuni Shingyouji on Jan 4, 2015 12:48:24 GMT -8
As I said, Sova was merely an example. Many officers were beaten up though.
It's possible Light Yagami also asked these officers one by one, and could have been terminating them, and asking them to hand over their gear. Being wounded and without gear, they couldn't fight back with anything but their fist. With the power of DICE, Light could have easily knocked them out one by one from the meeting place, dragged them to the pool and drowned them, then moved on to the next one. Before drowning them, he would return their items.
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Post by The City [EclipseZwolf] on Jan 4, 2015 12:52:04 GMT -8
Both theories still rely on Light being the most suspicious person....
Its not my style to go in without concrete evidence, but we need some more stuff and doing a short prosecution and defense might help. I can argue more during the defense about what links the events of that night. For now I will agree to proceed with a prosecution of Yagami Light if you all also wish to do so.
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Post by The Viscount on Jan 4, 2015 12:54:54 GMT -8
"I have a theory on the amount of water splashed out of the pool."
"The murderer entered the pool himself to drown the police, and the small puddle dripped off of him when he got out!"
"...What? I know I talk a lot, but I have nothing else to say in this matter."
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Post by Pokedude12 on Jan 4, 2015 13:00:45 GMT -8
"Um, dude... I found only drips at the trails and pool, no footprints... The trails were also pretty light. I think if the culprit stepped in, he'd be dropping more water everywhere..." *Goes back to drinking*
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Post by Ravan on Jan 4, 2015 13:03:29 GMT -8
I have a question then. How did he manage to get so many areas wet if he was only lightly splashed? Apparently the trails went all the way to apartment 3-2. That'd suggest they were wet enough to continue creating a trail that culminated in that damp area in front of the elevator.
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Post by The Viscount on Jan 4, 2015 13:03:42 GMT -8
"...And if he stood there for a bit to mostly dry off?"
"No, but I get it. The killer likely only got their hands wet."
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Post by The City [EclipseZwolf] on Jan 4, 2015 13:04:48 GMT -8
Perhaps some of their cloths absorbed a fair bit of water, say their sleeves or something. Those wouldn't dry out fast even if you squeezed them out.
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