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Post by Ravan on Jul 16, 2015 1:20:41 GMT -8
I'm just fond of fighting with a sword, it's that or morphing into a dragon. I don't suppose that I could do it without losing control from anger and killing everybody here, though, so... that's a thing, I suppose.
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Post by Daiwa Scarlet on Jul 16, 2015 1:45:37 GMT -8
...I suppose... This murder doesn't seem to be from the same culprit... although methods are quite similar... I'll have to... check... |
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Post by Ravan on Jul 16, 2015 4:05:52 GMT -8
Victim: Slaine Troyad
Time of Death: The body was found at approximately 9:30pm EST by Tsurugi Kanzaki
Cause of Death: Unknown
Location: The body was found at the Present Pool
Verbal bullets... I'll keep those hidden unless one decides to refute what I have to say.
Notable differences I noticed whilst investigating...
The stench of chlorine pervades a ton of rooms, much like the last time. Our culprit learned, though, and tried to throw us off. For one thing, one of the trails goes from the pool all the way over to the Staff Dormitory on the 2nd floor here in the present, whereas another goes to from the pool to the staff dormitory on the 2nd floor in the future. The one in the present has dried blood around, so we can assume that the future one was a sort of red herring, perhaps.
I found an empty bottle of wine in the principal's office and it disturbed me greatly for some obscure reason. Anybody know about it?
The culprit was the person Kanji saw. This culprit had the saw with him and supposedly ran right off when they realised Kanji had taken note of them. I found a saw that appeared to be hastily thrown away in the past laboratory 332 if I recall correctly, so I believe they tossed it aside here. Why would they do that? No idea here, either. We had no indication that a saw was used in the murder. We didn't think a saw was used in the last one, either. So why now? Is this just another red herring to waste our time from checking more important things?
Snake didn't have his empty bottle of anesthetic, but he did have his full syringe of anesthetic. He's most likely safe, and his discarded bottle was the one that Kanji found, along with another bottle. Where the second bottle came from is what concerns me. The one in the future lab 124 is still full. I still have my full syringe.
I discovered what appears to be the murder weapon, or more accurately, murder weapons. I found two bloody screwdrivers in the future timeline of lab 127. There was blood pooling underneath them, so I believe that without a doubt, these were used to stab Slaine.
Speaking of Slaine, I went and dissected him to check the extent of his wounds with the screwdrivers this time around. They were deeper, so I was curious to see if they hit anything lethal. From cutting open the stomach, I saw that the wounds extended into his stomach and other internal organs, though I did not wish to confirm which organs were hit. Suffice to say, it was enough to confirm that he would've died faster this time around. His carotid artery was also most likely hit, so yeah.
The more interesting thing is that from cutting his throat open, I smelt anesthetic. Slaine was hit with anesthetic, something that we didn't find at all in the last crime, and for good reason. Sakuya most likely wasn't even hit with anesthetic.
This is why there's only one board that was near the cart this time around. The culprit actually hit Slaine with anesthetic and killed him off immediately rather than taking the time to let him bleed out and let the anesthetic wear off. This means that the culprit most likely just pinned Sakuya down with the boards because it was all that they needed.
What irks me in particular is that the trail of chlorine exists in both the present and the future, but I think the future trail is just a throwaway trail meant to misguide us. Our culprit really wanted to confuse the hell out of us by spreading things out over all of the timelines, even if they primarily operated in the present and the future.
The saw must be a red herring which exists to mislead us by assuming that they could have committed the crime after B2 was opened up and that we could travel to the past. It was done before the TTDs/PTTs were available, so they must have done it in order to mislead Kanji who was the first person to find the corpse. Sakuya's corpse had a TTD/PTT on it, but it remained on her corpse, so the culprit did not murder her to steal it and use it unless she had more than one on her person, in which case this all becomes infinitely more convoluted. I opt to take the easier route with Occam's Razor, as it's much more likely later on. A simple explanation is that the less complicated theory is likely to be correct here.
The culprit between these murders has to be the same person, I feel. They've stepped up their game in response to what we've done last time, and they acted immediately after the end of the previous trial. Slaine's been dead for days and none of us figured anything out until now. The culprit was waiting with bated breath for somebody to find the body, and then they would commence with running off with their saw to the past to incite confusion.
Proof that the culprit had to have done this prior to B2 being open is that there is a sterilisation chamber within both the past and present variants of B2. This chamber literally causes anybody to enter to smell "minty fresh". If our culprit had access to this, they could have easily eliminated their scent by entering one of these, as almost every single one of us has gone into one of them by now. But they didn't and they left a chlorine trail between both the present and future. This means that our culprit was either unable to access these, or an idiot. Judging from their ruthlessness and planning, they must be above idiot status. They also could've given me a much worse headache if they had access to a PTT or TTD which they did, but didn't utilise.
So basically, our culprit went and prepared by setting up the cart nearby in the present. He went to inject Slaine with a syringe filled with anesthetic, and then proceeded to wheel him over to the pool. They placed a wooden board on top of Slaine to make it easier to drown him as they could merely push down on it, then proceeded to stab him multiple times with both screwdrivers in order to inflict a numerous amount of wounds. This is probably what caused the bloody pool splashes by the side of the pool, as the cart naturally wouldn't keep entirely still. Regardless, the culprit either ended Slaine's life there via stabbing or got close to it, as they then drowned him or made his corpse appear drowned by pushing on the board for a long while. After that, they pushed his corpse over and it ended up around the end of the pool as he eventually tipped over, leading to the cart to sink and the board to float up near him. The nails at the bottom of the pool strike me as irrelevant until somebody proves they were actually used, as our culprit is evidently fond of red herrings.
After this, our culprit leisurely took their time and went up to the staff dormitory on the 2nd floor in the present and took a shower to clean themselves off. Afterwards, they went to the future timeline, took a dip in the pool there and went all the way up to the future staff dormitory on the second floor for another shower. This is how they gave us another red herring, and it certainly confused me for a while. Regardless, the present one has dried blood in it, so I believe that one to be the most important one to focus on.
From this point, our culprit decided to go about their business while checking in on the present periodically for anybody to notice, as that would make things easier on them. However, I believe that after some time, they may have become paranoid that we never would have found it as we took for ****ing ever to find it. When they realised somebody had checked the corpse, they must have been overcome with glee, as they could finally put the finishing touch on the murder that they had spent so much time on thinking of. They took a saw that was originally in lab 127 whilst Kanji was still confirming the status of the corpse and bolted immediately. Kanji noticed them running off out of the corner of their eye when leaving, and they made advantage of this by then going to the past into laboratory 332 and threw it away immediately in the event that they were followed by Kanji, then left to go do whatever else their plan required them to do. Most likely act inconspicuous and join in the investigation. This was their entire plan, and they tried to trick us constantly throughout it.
When it comes to suspects who could have done this, I'm considering both the first and the second murders simultaneously, as the culprit is the same between both, I believe. Evidently it was neither Sakuya nor Corvo, and it sure as hell wasn't myself. I don't believe Snake could have done it as his syringe is also full, but we'll have to have some stern words with him about leaving one of his (albeit empty) bottles of anesthetic out for somebody to misuse as a red herring.
Kasumi is the antithesis of murder. Raidou could not have committed it last time, and neither could Roy or Rena evidently. It also helps that Ven and Kanji also couldn't have done it last time, and thus, this time as well. Corvo couldn't have been lying last time as he died horribly, so Nagato's alibi must have been the real deal as well. Raspberry was the one that confirmed Raidou's alibi in the first place, though his own is suspect. Slaine obviously didn't kill himself either. That leaves me with Tsurugi, Raspberry and... well, Wine. And I'm honestly somewhat in favour of discounting Tsurugi when it comes to it, because he was the one to be mentioned in the body discovery announcement, which implies that he had yet to see the corpse before, and we definitely know our culprit has been confirming his kills.
What else bothered me... maybe that Wine never mentioned no hint of anesthetic when cutting open Sakuya's body, and still being on the anesthetic train that I admittedly was one of the first to start. Maybe that his explanation about merely being in the gym to Kanji was never truly proven. Maybe that I trusted him too much to suspect him last case, electing to cooperate with him immediately right from the get-go. With Raspberry, I'm just worried about his alibi being solid from the first trial, but I know he couldn't have gotten away with this murder immediately after the first trial.
Ah, I can't believe I forgot. Seeing as time's almost out until Nir decides to visit us and annihilate us all, I figured you all should know. THE MOTIVE that has been kept blatantly out in the open that nobody other than myself, Kasumi, Wine and perhaps Sakuya understood is that in order to resolve this anomaly, 5 fixed points have to be created. One such method of creating a fixed point is committing murder. That was what the book Xinei wrote was referencing. Nobody understood this at that point other than us three (potentially four, if Sakuya ever understood it before her demise). While it remains possible to have a motive outside of THE MOTIVE, it interests me. What would Sakuya have done to irritate any of you? We have no such indication that she made an enemy out of anybody. The closest thing to that would be Tsurugi killing Slaine, and that's because... well, I'll leave that as a secret. Tsurugi would've had a motive against Slaine if his monologue in the gym was to be trusted, but he was the last one to find his body. Otherwise, he would be suspicious as all ****.
I guess this is it. I'm sorry to have to suspect you guys again, and I may have failed before, but I believe that this time, this makes more logical sense. Well, that's all I have. Come at me. Prove to me that this isn't some sick joke.
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Post by Daiwa Scarlet on Jul 16, 2015 4:34:46 GMT -8
...Does anyone remember... where they had seen Slaine before?... I do not believe I have had any contact... with him... Also... will anyone admit to having discovered the body before the following group... perhaps the person that Kanji had seen leaving the gym or pool... Correct me if I am wrong... but the body was simply floating in the pool... and anyone that entered the room would see it... If that is the case... the culprit probably did not stay to witness... Slaine's death... It seems mine is... quite different from... Kamui's view...
...For a time of death... the blood trail is about a day old... and wiped away when it reaches the door of the gym... The wipe marks themselves end in the hallway... perhaps where Slaine had been...
...The wounds are quite precise... and about twice as deep... I would believe this shows skill or strength... perhaps both... Venelope... would you care to compare the depth of the wound you had created on Sakuya to the wounds here?...
...Anesthetics... take the whole bottle to knock out a person... if this is useful to anyone...
...The present time staff dormitory showers also have dried blood... as Kamui said... Rena is there... so perhaps she could enlighten us...
...This does not shorten the list much... I guess this removes... Nagato... Venelope... maybe Roy... for being a child...
...The more likely culprits are... Snake... Raidou... Raspberry... Tsurugi...
...While Kamui... claims he would not stop at one if he did... I am unsure about the skill of Wine... Kanji... or Rena...
...It seems... my nap had been... too long... There is little more... that I can... add... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 4:44:05 GMT -8
"Well if you think it happened before we opened b2 I was at a classroom on the second floor messing with a certain god and napping and failing so I guess you could accuse me since that isn't a good alibi"
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Post by Ravan on Jul 16, 2015 4:46:38 GMT -8
Slaine was last seen in the Right Wing in the present, he just went comatose over there and never woke up evidently. I don't believe it's possible for anybody else to have discovered the corpse prior to Kanji other than the actual culprit. They must have remained until Slaine died in order for them to push him to the centre of the pool and wait for him to tip over, if not tip him over themselves. They also had to have left the nails at the bottom of the pool. There is no way they didn't confirm Slaine's death.
That would explain not just one, but two empty bottles of anesthetic that Kanji supposedly found. Where else would all of it go?
The trail most likely abruptly ends because our culprit, most likely Wine, made sure to either prevent himself from making a ridiculous trail like the first time with blood, or that he just had the time afterwards because nobody came to check up on Slaine.
I checked the wounds, they're deeper now for sure.
Rena has nothing because the whole crime happened days ago and she wasn't there for days as far as I know, nor was anybody as nobody cared enough to remain in the present until now.
Go take a nap, Kasumi. I think you need the rest. We have the time to consider this carefully.
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Post by Daiwa Scarlet on Jul 16, 2015 5:30:12 GMT -8
...They could possibly have tossed the nails in the pool before Slaine's death... With the wounds they had inflicted... they could be quite confident that Slaine would not recover... unless there was an ability to do such... We will need the testimony of the person who pulled Slaine from the pool... to see how far out he actually was...
...I believe the blood trail comes from Slaine... but that would mean he was injured in the hall... The blood trail is quite thick... I will need to do a little testing to determine... whether this was culprit or victim...
...Oh yes... the empty wine bottle would be... the future Wine's gift... |
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Post by Ravan on Jul 16, 2015 5:33:44 GMT -8
Kanji said so already, Slaine was in the middle of the pool. I asked him this. Wake up or go to sleep, Kasumi.
... Does it look like anybody is severely injured, or was a few days ago? The blood had to have come from Slaine in the pool, or be a remnant of the blood from Sakuya's death in the future pool.
That... sounds nice. Apparently it was quite old, 1700's stuff right there. I would have liked to partake in it myself.
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Post by Daiwa Scarlet on Jul 16, 2015 5:40:21 GMT -8
...People tend to generalize... so it is best to be sure what the wording was... what exactly they saw...
...There are many places to get blood... like the nurse's office where the anesthetic was... taking a dive would also cover one in blood... Though my argument is that the blood was from Slaine... when he was first attacked in the hallway... The traces disappear there after all... |
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Post by Ravan on Jul 16, 2015 6:04:44 GMT -8
That'd be because the culprit clearly had the time to clean up, Slaine's corpse is days old. Nobody bothered to check the present other than Kanji. It's... really not that hard to see why the massive trail of blood just ends abruptly.
You might've been asleep for Kanji's words, but he definitely said that the corpse was in the middle of the pool. I specifically asked where in the pool it was for this reason.
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Post by Daiwa Scarlet on Jul 16, 2015 6:19:54 GMT -8
... the wipe marks continue past the blood and end in the hall... I would say... it is more likely to cover up an obvious trail in the hall... and delay discovery... than a trail from the culprit... Such a trail... would probably lead to the showers... I guess there are a few ideas for why the clean up trail would end in the hallway... The most likely is that it is Slaine's blood... so Slaine was stabbed in the hallway... before he was taken to the pool... |
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Post by Ravan on Jul 16, 2015 6:25:36 GMT -8
Try sniffing the trail later. As I previously mentioned, they couldn't get rid of the smell. There's a chlorine trail literally going from the pool to the showers in both the present and future timelines.
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Post by John Dark Souls on Jul 16, 2015 8:54:02 GMT -8
"*sigh* No, this just won't do... You people are beating over the bush for quite some obvious stuff... Okay, let me put some likely light on some of the facts you just threw aside as unrelated and some facts that you are confusing yourselves greatly about. And to think I trusted this case to you, Kamui... Stop disappointing me." (song is a bit short so just make it run again while reading if it ends) The more interesting thing is that from cutting his throat open, I smelt anesthetic. Slaine was hit with anesthetic, something that we didn't find at all in the last crime, and for good reason.
Culprit went to inject Slaine with a syringe filled with anesthetic, and then proceeded to wheel him over to the pool. "First things first, you are greatly contradicting yourself. Why would the anesthetic smell be from throat if culprit injected the anesthetic via syringe into blood vessels? It is quite clearly shows that what is likely to be whole bottle of anesthetic was pushed down Slaine's throat via mouth to KO him. That explains vivid smell, as well as the lack of smell in Sakuya's murder where likely only a syringe-full was injected via blood vessels with culprit clearly trying to hide the what little smell was left with chlorine smell. I did not hide a single fact in my examinations of Sakuya's body, nor did I have any reason to." Regardless, the culprit either ended Slaine's life there via stabbing or got close to it, as they then drowned him or made his corpse appear drowned by pushing on the board for a long while. After that, they pushed his corpse over and it ended up around the end of the pool as he eventually tipped over, leading to the cart to sink and the board to float up near him. The nails at the bottom of the pool strike me as irrelevant until somebody proves they were actually used, as our culprit is evidently fond of red herrings. "Another display of confused evidence. The culprit obviously nailed the single board to the cart with those 5 nails before pushing it into the pool hoping for reaching the same effect as in previous murder. But, only 1 board and 5 nails were clearly not enough, thus the lone board whether due to the still alive victim's struggling or due to collision of cart with pool or due to simple water pressure forcing board to float, made the nails come out of the board. The board with the body of the victim resurfaced on the pool surface while the nails just sank to the bottom due to material differences. But, don't you find it strange? You don't just stick the nails through wooden boards and expect them to stay there?" This culprit had the saw with him and supposedly ran right off when they realised Kanji had taken note of them. I found a saw that appeared to be hastily thrown away in the past laboratory 332 if I recall correctly, so I believe they tossed it aside here. Why would they do that? No idea here, either. We had no indication that a saw was used in the murder. We didn't think a saw was used in the last one, either. So why now? Is this just another red herring to waste our time from checking more important things?
The saw must be a red herring which exists to mislead us by assuming that they could have committed the crime after B2 was opened up and that we could travel to the past. "Taking the whether the person with the saw is culprit or not yet aside, doesn't my previous statement make you realize something now? Yes, the saw was exactly what culprit had used to strike down nails into the cart. Now you don't need to confuse yourself whether it is red herring or not because at the very least, now it makes sense." The stench of chlorine pervades a ton of rooms, much like the last time. Our culprit learned, though, and tried to throw us off. For one thing, one of the trails goes from the pool all the way over to the Staff Dormitory on the 2nd floor here in the present, whereas another goes to from the pool to the staff dormitory on the 2nd floor in the future. The one in the present has dried blood around, so we can assume that the future one was a sort of red herring, perhaps.
What irks me in particular is that the trail of chlorine exists in both the present and the future, but I think the future trail is just a throwaway trail meant to misguide us. Our culprit really wanted to confuse the hell out of us by spreading things out over all of the timelines, even if they primarily operated in the present and the future. "Thats why people with short-lived memory are just... *sigh* The blood trail leading to shower in future was there before even the first murder and it was mentioned during first trial quite few times. And as to trails in present, I don't remember seeing any trails from Main Hallway to Second Floor Hallway when I was coming from Basement Floor 2 to Classroom 201 to get the key from Naga. Are you sure there is even one there and it is related? Are you sure that any of your points related to it like culprit not going through sterilization chamber are even correct at all?" I found an empty bottle of wine in the principal's office and it disturbed me greatly for some obscure reason. Anybody know about it? "Sorry about that one friend, the bottle there is my doing. After getting key from Naga I figured I would not be able to carry both PTT and my Wine bottle so I drank it down and randomly threw it aside into Principal's Office on my way to Basement Floor 2." Speaking of Slaine, I went and dissected him to check the extent of his wounds with the screwdrivers this time around. They were deeper, so I was curious to see if they hit anything lethal. From cutting open the stomach, I saw that the wounds extended into his stomach and other internal organs, though I did not wish to confirm which organs were hit. Suffice to say, it was enough to confirm that he would've died faster this time around. His carotid artery was also most likely hit, so yeah. "Amateur... Why didn't you check his lungs for whether they were filled with water? But then again, I suppose there is no need for that because we know that body in fact floated in water and that isn't the case. What does that mean? Combined with previous statements, it means that the body didn't stay underwater long enough for the water to seep through all of Slaine's holes, thus preserving the smell of anesthetic in his throat and no water in lungs which means they were filled with air allowing him to float. This leads me to believe the wooden board went off the cart right in the initial collision with water." The culprit between these murders has to be the same person, I feel. They've stepped up their game in response to what we've done last time, and they acted immediately after the end of the previous trial. Slaine's been dead for days and none of us figured anything out until now.
It was done before the TTDs/PTTs were available. because our culprit, most likely Wine "Now step up your own game please. If it is all as you say, then I had the alibi for whole second murder and with you no less. You are only thinking about people unable to do first murder being unable to do second. But if your theory is to be believed it makes it the opposite as well, making me in fact, being unable to do both of the murders. The only time when I was alone was for few minutes after first murder trial concluded, and then a day later when I went to take a key from Naga. Needless to say that took only half an hour or so before I returned and unlocked the desk with the key. You have seen me in that same room before I left for the key, and few others like Nagato (and Raspberry I think?) noticed me when I returned making it more solid. I just physically can't be the culprit of these murders." Ah, I can't believe I forgot. Seeing as time's almost out until Nir decides to visit us and annihilate us all, I figured you all should know. THE MOTIVE that has been kept blatantly out in the open that nobody other than myself, Kasumi, Wine and perhaps Sakuya understood is that in order to resolve this anomaly, 5 fixed points have to be created. One such method of creating a fixed point is committing murder. That was what the book Xinei wrote was referencing. Nobody understood this at that point other than us three (potentially four, if Sakuya ever understood it before her demise). While it remains possible to have a motive outside of THE MOTIVE, it interests me. What would Sakuya have done to irritate any of you? We have no such indication that she made an enemy out of anybody. The closest thing to that would be Tsurugi killing Slaine, and that's because... well, I'll leave that as a secret. Tsurugi would've had a motive against Slaine if his monologue in the gym was to be trusted, but he was the last one to find his body. Otherwise, he would be suspicious as all ****. "Now what do you ever hope to achieve with this? Make everyone murder each other? Would that ever help anybody? Stop taking your frustration from failing so much on the people and do your only job! Solve this case! And do it correctly! I know you can do it!" *Wine shouts out passionately!* |
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Post by Falin Touden [Ven] on Jul 16, 2015 10:28:25 GMT -8
Hi, sorry I'm late, I've been snoozing in the library in the past. Now it's already been confirmed that the wounds are the same width as a screwdriver just like the first murder. To answer Kasumi's question even without investigating, looking at other people's investigations, the wounds are deeper and have hit internal organs, this means the second murder was more brutal. That is all I can. Even if people haven't been suspecting me, I want to give people what I have been doing the last few days:
3 days ago.... I was looking through all the present rooms INCLUDING THE POOL, there was nothing there at this point. After this I went and found that B2 was open. This is then, what I did on day 2, I was investigating the past, which is when I fell asleep in the library there reading through all the time travel books.
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Post by John Dark Souls on Jul 16, 2015 14:06:00 GMT -8
"Kanji, I want to ask you an important question. Why did you go to the present pool in the first place? I can understand when you went to future pool for the sledgehammer. But there you go again to the pool and find another corpse? This is suspicious at the very least."
"Also, there are still people who haven't listed their alibi. These are: Tsurugi, Kanji, Nagato and Snake."
"Ven, you say that you visited all rooms in the present at the time. Can you please tell me who you met while you've done so. Or at the very least remember if Slaine was there Right Wing Hallway? You must have been there if you went to Pool. Delve deep into your memories and tell me (ask Sea if you have met him)."
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