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Post by Giorno Giovanna on Jul 11, 2015 23:40:48 GMT -8
Have we established that this death is different than her death in the future yet?
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Post by Daiwa Scarlet on Jul 12, 2015 0:28:39 GMT -8
... quite... her future self is... right in the.. next room...
... I would... also like to ascertain... who had dived... in the pool... to get... the cart... also... any that had gone diving... before... and after... the discovery...
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Post by Ravan on Jul 12, 2015 1:02:41 GMT -8
I think it's blatantly obvious that they're different, Raidou, for better or for worse. One of them has their head smashed in, the other is only covered in stab wounds.
The more I investigate, the weirder this gets. There's a trail that's over a day old that smells faintly of chlorine that goes from the pool in the future timeline all the way up to the staff dormitory on the second floor which is where the showers are, there's a bottle of shampoo that's been used a tad bit, there's a brand new bottle of anesthetic that shouldn't exist in lab 124, there are no puncture wounds to indicate that Sakuya was hit with anesthetic... This means Sakuya just took all those stab wounds with the screwdriver and didn't fight back. Certainly, they were non-lethal, but they would cause her to bleed out eventually even if she remained still. It's almost like she wanted to die or something...
This makes me wonder if assisted suicide is a possibility. I'd say suicide, but she can't really nail herself down on a cart and then shove herself into the pool without some sort of gimmick, and I don't believe we've found any evidence of that, so... that's a thing. I just really can't see her taking a bunch of non-lethal stab wounds and doing absolutely nothing about it. She could scream, shout, fight back with one of her many throwing knives, fire her BB gun, what have you. Anything. Not just giving up and dying...
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Post by Daiwa Scarlet on Jul 12, 2015 1:50:30 GMT -8
....... Im tired.... so I guess... I will just... give what little else... I have... and rest...
...The water in laboratory... 124... is from... sprinklers...
... The object... use to hammer... the nails... is round... and over... 2.5 weight... it is also... larger than a hammer head... but smaller... than the sledge... hammer... or the weights... within the gym... or lab nearby... I have not... found... any... hidden objects... during my... search... of the first... and second... floors... but... I have... not searched... the present... timeline...
...I believe... we... should get... the sledgehammer... and break down... the storage room door... as Venelope... and Kanji... had been... trying to do...
...The blood droplets... in laboratory 127... where Sakyua was stabbed... do not seem... to have any... pattern... for how... they scatter... I am... uncertain... what this... indicates... but... the body... seems to have been... stabbed... randomly...
...There is one... point... I would like... to know about... who has... nullification... abilities?...
... I believe... someone... also examined... what everyone... had been... holding?... Would you care... to tell?...
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Post by Giorno Giovanna on Jul 12, 2015 1:57:56 GMT -8
It seems I worded that poorly. I am well aware they were different, I was simply mentioning it for anyone who did not know. It confirms that our method of death is not set in stone, so don't just defend yourself assuming you're future self's wounds are what will kill you.
But moving on from that, what do you mean by nullification abilities? Like the ability to prevent yourself from injury?
EDIT: ABILITIES HOW DID I FORGET. Ok so clearly we're not dealing with compleate time stoppage(think, 'The World'), otherwise Sakuya would have suffered more serious wounds. But maybe a power that prevented her from moving after she was injured? Maybe something like slowing time within a certain area? But that would also slow the rate of blood loss wouldn't it?
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Post by Falin Touden [Ven] on Jul 12, 2015 4:19:42 GMT -8
It would of slowed the loss of blood but only for the limited time that their power exists, by that time she would already be covered in stab wounds so she wouldn't been able to fight back that.
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Post by John Dark Souls on Jul 12, 2015 4:49:26 GMT -8
"Okay, I got a whisper from god into my ear confirming my suspicions so I might as well reveal it. The people who found the corpse and are revealed on the murder report, are in fact not just 2 finders minus culprit. It displays only the very last person or group of people who have found the culprit. So, lets say if Kanji was alone there and was the third person who have found the corpse, only Kanji would be displayed. And since Ven was together and they found the corpse at the same time as they removed the wooden boards, they both find it. But you see, if that is the case, then the murder report would still display Kanji and Ven together even if they weren't 2nd and 3rd people to find the corpse and were in fact 3rd and 4th people to find it. This could mean, that somebody else has also found the corpse before them. But since the cart was boarded and they wouldn't have seen it like that, this creates a certain possibility. A person has found the corpse and then played around with the murder scene boarding the corpse up in the cart..."
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Post by Giorno Giovanna on Jul 12, 2015 4:51:27 GMT -8
We've already established that these wounds wouldn't have killed her very quickly, she would have had the chance to at least try to do something about the wounds; which she clearly didn't.
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Post by Falin Touden [Ven] on Jul 12, 2015 4:55:05 GMT -8
Wine I could understand you point. But the wooden boards and the nails were in the same room with the bloody screwdriver, that means they would also had to leave the room and come back again, and you were walking around that hallway, wouldn't you have seen anyone walk in? You were apparently there a while. I'm not suspecting you, I'm just arguing with your theory.
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Post by John Dark Souls on Jul 12, 2015 5:16:55 GMT -8
"True, now that I think back to it, the theory is pretty ridiculous and unlikely. I mean, the Sakuya did die from both stab wounds and the drowning at around the same time. So it must mean that she was already in water when she died. And it does look like the random blood splatters in the Lab 127 are from the time when she was stabbed all over. Also... Wait... She died around the same time from both drowning and stab wounds... And she also was underwater already when she died... This leads to the fact that: Culprit wouldn't have seen her at all unless he boarded the cart she was in AFTER she drowned and died!"
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Post by Falin Touden [Ven] on Jul 12, 2015 5:20:07 GMT -8
Well that was already brought up before. After they knew she died they took her back out of the water and then boarded the cart up covering the body. They boarded it up quickly hoping no one would see. Then they would of left the scene like when me and JJ found it.
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Post by John Dark Souls on Jul 12, 2015 5:49:52 GMT -8
"Lets see... Judging from all the stab wounds on Sakuya's body I calculated that it should've taken around 15 minutes for her to die from bleeding assuming all wounds were done at the same time. But, time it takes for somebody to drown depends on whether they are conscious at all. You see, the whole death from drowning only takes in after the person loses consciousness and water starts flowing in without much resistance gone. After the victim loses consciousness, it takes roughly 3-4 minutes for them to die from drowning. But, if she was conscious, it would also take some time for her to lose consciousness before she starts drowning again. I think it should be another 2-3 minutes. It would mean that she was drowning around in water for around 5-7 minutes. So, if we align the timers of death by different causes, it would mean that the Sakuya got thrown in water to drown around 8-10 minutes after she was stabbed. Do these numbers tell anything to you?"
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Post by Touwa Nemu [Hitomi] on Jul 12, 2015 6:20:22 GMT -8
-glances at Kasumi-
Yes, I did try to collect as much data as possible from people's belongings.
I will state the information I gathered from the last relevant encounter with everyone I looked at within Day 4.
Rena- Cleaver
Wine- Glowing White Transparent Sword
Tsurugi- Screwdriver (He was analyzing evidence by that time)
Kasumi- Umbrella
Corvo- Glass of Water
Kamui- Nothing visible (We now know he has a syringe filled with anesthetic)
All other observations are either probably outdated or inaccurate.
Note: I also noted that Wine was covered in blood by the time I arrived at the Pool, this could be from his being in the pool, but if he's clean now, then he might have used the shower. I can't see him very well right now, so I will get back to you on this.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2015 6:25:08 GMT -8
"I believe she has been thrown in the water to drown and she was conscious for sometime while drowning as wine said"
"Hey kamui did you consider there was a bottle of anesthetics which was taken before the time you went to the lab and took a syringe which was filled with anesthetics? I can tell you however that the syringes weren't filled with anesthetics to begin with from day 1 but we should focus on the murder now." |
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Post by Touwa Nemu [Hitomi] on Jul 12, 2015 7:19:52 GMT -8
Forget what I stated before, I apologize, for it is not accurate.
Raidou found chlorinated blood near the shower. However, the killer, while probably bloody, never actually fell into the pool. Consequently, the killer did not leave the chlorinated blood there, right?
Since the pool was bloody before, it could have been anyone trying to clean up. However, the possibility that this is case related is still standing. If someone has showered in said room, please state so. The more information that is one the table, the easier finding the culprit will be.
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