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Post by Falin Touden [Ven] on Aug 8, 2015 13:35:44 GMT -8
Hello everyone *yawns* sorry I'm late to the party. Unfortunately I don't have much information but I will try to help as much as I can. First of all,
Verbal Sword #3 - Sova walked into the Grand Foyer with preexisting, fresh wounds.
Now take this as you will, but it does show that Sova was injured before they became close to the fireplace. This gives some evidence that it wasn't a suicide. It also helps to know that in an earlier case Konami with help from Indrid, had been affected by a poison, but in that case he try to kill Indrid, perhaps this poison allows the user to control someone, maybe tell Sofa to cut him self by the fireplace.
Verbal Sword #1 - Sova didn't scream until a minute after being in the fireplace.
Now this shows he didn't scream from his arm wounds, because if he had, he would of screamed at the same time he was cutting his arms. This makes it seem like someone injured him afterwards, perhaps taking advantage of Sofa being vulnerable whilst lying down.
Hope this can be of some help.
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Post by Indrid Cold on Aug 8, 2015 14:27:38 GMT -8
"Hmmmmm...If Sova didn't scream until he was in the fireplace for a full minute...while being burned alive...I suppose this isn't a suicide after all. I too have some information on the murder, but I will save it for now."
"My theory is that this is the work of a strange magic, potentially alchemic in nature or a natural skill of someones. What strikes me odd is that there was a metal plate inside of Sova's chest, most likely implanted before the murder occurred"
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Post by The City [EclipseZwolf] on Aug 8, 2015 14:46:18 GMT -8
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Post by The City [EclipseZwolf] on Aug 8, 2015 15:03:01 GMT -8
Frankly, this discussion seems to be about random things involving Sova's corpse. I propose the time of importance for this "murder" is merely the immediate period before death. Allow me to propose a theory.
Culprit: Sova Maahes. Victim: Sova Maahes The Murder Weapon: The primary weapon's are a scalpel and the fire. I claim that the only injuries truly related to this crime are the cuts to the wrists and the burn wounds. All other injuries are unrelated to the actual death of Sova Maahes The Murder Route: Sova began the "murder" in the Grand Foyer. Sova did not leave this room for the duration of the murder. At most, Sova claimed a Scalpel at one point from the infirmary or another personage. The Closing Argument: Sova arrived in the Grand Foyer with a scalpel. There plan was already in mind at this time so they had procured a scalpel from the infirmary some time prior to the incident. After taking a moment to collect their thoughts Sova used the Scalpel to cut their own wrists, but in order to make sure they had no hope of being saved they turned and walked into the fire. They laid down and waited for the end. The screaming only began later on because even their powerful will was eventually broken by the pain of burning alive. Thus Sova's cause of death is immolation and blood loss, both self induced. None of the other injuries on Sova's corpse have any relation to Sova's true cause of death and are thus of no relevance to this trial.
(When you think you know what happened you must construct a theory with the above sections. The sections are described in more detail in the General Rules for games section of the site. Now that this theory has been posted when the trial concludes players may vote for Sova Maahes as the culprit. Sova Maahes remains an option in the final vote UNLESS another player uses a Verbal Bullet, sword in this case, to break apart this theory. If a bullet is used AND EXPLAINED HOW IT BREAKS THE THEORY then the theory is "destroyed" and is no longer valid resulting in it not putting its culprit as an option during the vote.)
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Post by Pokedude12 on Aug 8, 2015 15:19:51 GMT -8
"Now hold it!
Some of us looked in Sova's room and found several bloodstains that were fresh in relation to the time of the murder! These stains were accompanied by a pair of bloodied weapons: a knife and a spear. The former was used to stab the victim's chest, while the other's blade was gripped by the victim! This was deduced by the sizes and shapes of the aforementioned weapons. It should be noted that the weapons have no blood on their handles and show no signs of being wiped down, whereas the victim has at least one bloodied hand caused by that spear! This means the victim was attacked by another person in his own room.
In short, Sova was assaulted and his previous wounds are valid to this case! This also means that if Sova committed suicide, he was aided by an accomplice as well. And the trial isn't over until all stones have been turned."
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Post by The City [EclipseZwolf] on Aug 8, 2015 15:27:46 GMT -8
Alright, you found fresh bloodstains in Sova's room. You claim that Sova was attacked prior to the murder. Ok, sure that could have happened.
However....
My previous theory stands. I claimed that none of the wounds that were not the wrist cuts or the immolation had anything to do with Sova's true cause of death. Whether being attacked motivated Sova to commit suicide or not has no relevance. I don't care about why or how those other injuries appeared. I still claim that those injuries have NO relevance to the actual death of Sova Maahes.
So, Sova was attacked prior to their suicide. How does that prove that these two events are in any way connected?
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Post by Indrid Cold on Aug 8, 2015 15:35:06 GMT -8
"I OBJECT TO YOUR CLAIMS!""Nox, you claim that Sova's prior fights had no bearing on his death, however, I know this isn't true!"
EVIDENCE: Verbal Sword 5: The Broken Metal Shards
"Now, I examined the inside of Sova's chest when I saw the stitches from his injuries. Now, there I found a collection of metal shards that burned inside of Sova, most likely from the fires. I have reason to believe that this metal was once a whole device, and that it was the real reason that Sova entered that fireplace! Someone else implanted that into Sova's chest when he was in the infirmary, so there is reason to believe that, at the very least, the two events are connected"
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Post by The City [EclipseZwolf] on Aug 8, 2015 15:42:12 GMT -8
Soooo.... Sova had metal shards in their chest? Someone put a device inside them?
Let me just throw that back in your face.
"Sova indeed had a device placed inside them at some point. It was broken at some point prior or during the suicide."
You have not provided any reason to truly prove that device was what caused Sova to perform those actions. Whether it existed or not is a mute point. Whether you have reason to believe this device could have caused some strange situation of mind control has no bearing on the solidarity of my theory.
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Post by Pokedude12 on Aug 8, 2015 15:57:16 GMT -8
"So guys, about that metal fragment that was brought up:
Its parts were in the chest when I looked at it several hours ago. However, as I was deducing things, it literally vanished. No one came up on me and took it, and I didn't see it leave the body. It just up and poofed! Talk about crazy...
But... It looked like technology foreign to the kingdom... I wonder if it could have such functionality...
Also, about its heating up, I blame the fireplace. It may also have caused the scream earlier as well... if you checked the wound thoroughly."
EDIT:
"When Raphael shoved a scalpel into the wound, there was a loud cracking sound. That was the part breaking."
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Post by Marie on Aug 8, 2015 16:18:10 GMT -8
Gosh this is something... But while the metal pieces are very interesting... How could they have caused it? I mean... could some metal pieces somehow have driven Sova to commit suicide? Where would someone even get something like that? Specially if it doesn't belong to the kingdom...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 16:52:31 GMT -8
"Hold it!" Bambi shouted rather impatiently after hearing how everyone was discussing the corpse and how Sova had died, arguing against Nox. "I understand that Sova's behavior was unnatural. But Nox has a point. Logically speaking, Sova killed himself." she began, placing her hands on the arms of her seat. "Sova was the one who cutsthemselves with a scalpel and calmly lay inside the fire place. So Logically, they are the culprit. HOWEVER, speaking in other terms, a lot of us believe they were MANIPULATED into killing themselves somehow. Which I also believe." she explained. "Evidence of foul play includes the kitchen knife found in Sova's room and the spear. However, the most incriminating of this would have to be the stitches along Sova's collar bone. Someone had stitched up Sova at some point today and put that metal inside of his body. There was no blood trail to Sova's room because Sova had been attacked inside. Finally, after being attacked, someone tended to Sova inside of his room. Whoever treated Sova put the metal inside of the wound." "That aside, several other variables appeared after the victim was dead. Zacharius found a desk in front of Junko's room, preventing access. The weapons in Sova's room... I have no idea how long they have been there, but I know where they came from. And I know the spear in Sova's room was one of two that went missing as I and Zacharius were making out way to the first floor's south end." "Now, I would accuse Lancer. However, would he really make only a small wound on Sova's hand with a spear? I decided to do a background check on him." "Within his background, two things are worthy of note. If he is so good with spears, wouldn't he be able to finish killing Sova easily? Yet, even if that is not the case, could he have manipulated Sova in some way to commit suicide? This brings me back to the pieces of metal and the glaze dover look in Sova's eyes while the approached their doom. Sova did not intend to die." " Also, I do not believe Sova was poisoned.I found no traces of poison on Sova's body, and even if I did, their background suggests they have an immunity to poisons. Even if Nightshade was found in Sova's room."
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Post by Chatt on Aug 8, 2015 16:54:50 GMT -8
(OOC: sorry won't be able to participate for another hour or two. @ amusement park atm.)
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Post by Marie on Aug 8, 2015 17:35:37 GMT -8
Alright. So then... Since you guys are lagging behind I would like to bring up a few ideas. Now from what we've seen of Sova, he wanted to take us on... All of us. Sova was so very confident in himself that he pretty much wanted to take on the world... For a guy like that to suicide... Man. I feel even worse because his expression in death was anger with immense agony too of course... He must have been one little angry suicidal.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 17:50:15 GMT -8
"Anger? Upon examining the body, I specifically remember it being horror. But that's not what we need to discuss." Bambi crossed her legs, sitting up in a more comfortable position. "Sova was the 'culprit'. What I am looking for is the 'accomplice'. A lot of this points to lancer having some involvement, but I have no clue what it is. Some background details say that Junko may have had a hand, but I can't physically prove anything. Meaning that whoever or whatever manipulated Sova is going to remain a prominent threat..." she stated in a rather dissapointed voice. She wasn't giving up or giving in. But what could she do, aside from that? There was no evidence linking anyone to the crime aside from people who probably only had a minor hand in it, or did something unrelated. "If Sova committed suicide willingly... there is nothing to worry about. But with a lot of things pointing to foul play, we probably do have a threat. Something that could drive you to suicide."
She narrowed her eyes, watching Nox with little patience. "What do you think? It's agreeably suicide. But there is still a threat."
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Post by The City [EclipseZwolf] on Aug 8, 2015 17:58:41 GMT -8
In a crowd such as this, with the no doubt tension that grips us all. There is always a threat. However, the only threat that can be dealt with here is the murderer. There is no other possibility.
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