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Post by Pokedude12 on Nov 2, 2014 7:47:28 GMT -8
*Wakes up* Just curious, how exactly did the discovery of the body go down?
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Trial #3
Nov 2, 2014 7:53:54 GMT -8
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Post by The Viscount on Nov 2, 2014 7:53:54 GMT -8
I know this is slightly unnecessary. But, I will say this, because it wasn't proven as an impossibility yet. Satori Komeji! You are the culprit in this case!...Maybe. It's a possibility, and unless someone proves that only Byakuya or Rin could do it, it still stands as one! My investigation told me that Byakuya could possibly have done it, so I'm hoping another could. Though, I doubt he did. It may have been him, and that's why I didn't defend him earlier. Let us either refute some of these claims or make theories for all three, which can then be refuted... Or something. ...And, the discovery? It's strange... I was worried, so I went to find her, but when I did, I screamed... Then something odd happened, and I felt like time was shifting. When it stopped, I looked and Kaito was there as well.
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Post by Ryohei Sasagawa[Hero] on Nov 2, 2014 8:01:00 GMT -8
by the darkness of the lake maybe kaito kid saw the body as the murderer and the time shift made the past kaito kid count as diffrent witness but this of course requires clarification from the mastermind and also allows for Apollo to be the killer (paranoia intensifies)
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Post by Pokedude12 on Nov 2, 2014 8:04:38 GMT -8
You all are being ridiculous!! Clearly, the aliens did it! See, they beamed in and stormed the place while we were all sleeping! They planted all this fake evidence; and I'll even bet that Sen's body isn't even real!! For that matter, is this place real? Are we real!? *Panting erratically* H-he's speaking to me again... I-it's... Hoooooooope... Imeanwhat
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Post by Satori on Nov 2, 2014 8:15:42 GMT -8
Satori Komeji! You are the culprit in this case! *STARES CREEPILY AT APOLLO*You DARE accuse me as the culprit!?!?
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Trial #3
Nov 2, 2014 8:20:31 GMT -8
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Post by The Viscount on Nov 2, 2014 8:20:31 GMT -8
I said maybe, MAYBE, maybe, oh god dont kill me. But, really, we have to explore every possibility, it's true! As someone once told my mentor, "Once you eliminate the impossible, what remains, however improbable, is the truth." So please, don't kill me.
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Post by Pokedude12 on Nov 2, 2014 8:26:31 GMT -8
I MUST GO NOW. MY PLANET NEEDS ME. *Blasts off into space*
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Post by John Dark Souls on Nov 2, 2014 8:45:36 GMT -8
Okay, now its my turn to do exactly the same:
1.I returned to my room after the approximate time of Sen's death, but before the blood trails were made. Then after resting for some time in my room, I left and noticed the blood trails and started looking around for the body. But unfortunately Mr. Attorney and Kaito Kid beat me to it.
2.I must've worded it to be hard to understand, sorry. By passing each room once, I meant that they most likely entered and left corner rooms like Assembly Room, Library and Laundry only once after Sen was killed and when making the blood trails. Of course they had to pass Dorm, First Floor Hallway and Lounge more than once. I spent nearly an hour in my room, thus it means that the all blood trails and scene setup was done within an hour after murder.
3.That is another reason for me bringing Sen's head to the trial. By bringing it to the trial, I proved that body parts can be preserved by being taken to the trial. This means that you one would have been able to preserve blood of previous victims by taking it to the trial within bottles of water or something they could take in a fridge and empty anywhere. This was just my observation of the blood combined in 10th Room, 8th Room and all over the 1st floor so I might also be wrong though.
4.The Room items could've been moved at any point before the murder. Its true though that it would've taken a lot of time to move these. So the person who spent most time in the Dorm on the first floor and was seen there most, is likely to be most suspicious to be the culprit. And considering that after one of the victims who had many keys died in previous game, all keys were returned to their places, I would assume many people including me tried to find those. And this means that culprit would've needed to move rooms after these searches were done in order not to be caught at it.
5.Plushies stabbed all the way through with the knife, absorbed only the blood splashing out by the stabbing. They most definitely not were used to absorb any other blood and most certainly weren't used to stop bleeding or anything. And just in case, blood from slashing the neck could easily be avoided by just standing behind the victims while slashing their neck.
6.This is where you are wrong. There were 1 large rag, several small rags and a single red rag. (that was hidden under the bed) Plenty enough for just a 4-legged chair. I think there would even be enough to wrap some leftovers over the culprit's shoes if they wanted to.
7.The time mentioned in the Murder Report is indeed the "approximate time of discovery of the body", BUT! It isn't the time the announcement was rang at! Thus it means the first time body was discovered at by none other than the culprit themselves! I don't know if Mr. Attorney has seen me in the Dorm, but I most definitely saw him searching for Sen. But the place I searched for the corpse was different. I went to search in the other places of the First Floor and on the Second Floor, since one won't usually think that a corpse is right in front of the room where you have been and was done without you noticing while you were inside. As I mentioned before, I saw you AFTER Sen was killed but BEFORE trails of blood were spread. Only the 2 of us were in the Dorm at that time so it is no shock that nobody else noticed us. But good, now I made you declare that us seeing each other in the Dorm is a lie, you can no longer use that fact to accuse me, well done. ^_^
8.I accept your idea that the "THIS MAKES TWO" message is most likely the red herring set by the culprit in order to lead investigators astray by making them try to tie the murders together , so lets throw it away from any later theories.
9.Now lets see, where are we now? We discussed much stuff, but you still have yet to present any proof you couldn't have done it. Or what, are you going to say that your big body that certainly doesn't seem that fit being unable to run all over the first floor doing all the blood trails is more than enough to proof you haven't done it? That is wrong! You are still suspicious! And so:
Byakuya Togami! You are still the culprit!
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Post by Pokedude12 on Nov 2, 2014 9:25:00 GMT -8
Hey, guys, just curious... During the first crime/trial, who all teleported during the time shift?
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Post by The City [EclipseZwolf] on Nov 2, 2014 9:52:19 GMT -8
Sooooo. What in your argument pins me as the culprit? You claim to have seen me and I claim it to be a lie. Your accusation is then based on a "I didn't do it so you had to" argument which as no basis. I understand I don't have anyone to confirm my alibi just before the announcement, but neither do you. Can you confirm that you were unable to make the extensive preparations for this murder? I do believe I spent quite some time with Kaito kid before the incident, but I have no idea if he will ever testify to confirm that.
Although I am confused on one point. You keep talking how you saw me between the announcement and Sen's actual time of death. You have the announcement being made but the time of discovery being different, which I believed to be the same number. While from Apollo's testimony we have a window for Sen's death, but not an exact time. Yet you claim to know when she died based on the fact you "saw me after she died." How would you know that if you hadn't discovered the body?
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Trial #3
Nov 2, 2014 11:33:09 GMT -8
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Post by The Viscount on Nov 2, 2014 11:33:09 GMT -8
(Incoming Theory!) I'm done with the killer's silly games. (And I was seeing no good opportunity to use the bubble.) I refuse to follow what was prophesized! We will find the killer this time, and we're so close! Mr. Togami says he has an alibi, so that leaves you, Rin Kaenbyou and Satori Komeji, assuming that Kaito Kid is willing to enforce Mr. Togami's alibi! And so, I will explain what happened. Let's end this! 1. The Victim: Sen Yarizui, of course. 2. The Culprit: Two choices, but I am almost sure that it was Rin Kaenbyou! Satori Komeji wouldn't have put herself in danger to attempt to defend Rin's actions if she was the murderer, I don't think! 3. The Murder Weapons: Some kind of electrical shocking implement, and a kitchen knife. 4: The Path: Room 10 -> Laundry Room -> Room 10 -> Room 8 -> All over -> Her room 5: Closing Argument: This all started in my room, when I was about to swap rooms with Sen... Honestly, I was completely willing to put myself in the path of danger to change fate. And I believe that I am now anyways. But let's continue. Once Sen left, she entered the room she chose to pull the notebook out, and return to my room. However, at that point, the culprit shocked her neck, effectively rendering her helpless. The culprit carried Sen to Room 10, and taped her to the chair that was there. She then stabbed Sen multiple times to cause her to bleed, but not kill her, waiting for Sen to wake up. Once Sen woke up, she dealt the final blow; a deep slash to the neck. Probably even two, seeing as parts of the skin could be found on the rug. Then, the culprit went to the laundry room to grab the rug that she had readied. At this point, the culprit's accomplice, Satori Komeji, perhaps, comes into play. Rin could not have carried the body or made the trails alone. So she most likely had an accomplice, but nothing more than to set everything after up. Anyways, the two moved the body to Room 8, and began to mop trails and plant the plushies. Then, the killer and accomplice went to their rooms, and waited for a bit before pretending to look for the body. Of course, it's very possible as well that Satori Komeji is the murderer, and Rin Kaenbyou was the accomplice! Their close relationship reinforces this! If two people were to be partners in crime, it is them! So, let's hear it! Do we have any objections or rebuttals?
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Post by Ryohei Sasagawa[Hero] on Nov 2, 2014 11:49:52 GMT -8
seems none of us have people skills, you so called defender of Justice even I a True Hero can't find myself to trust you guys, so we all are socially deficient humans who don't know the meaning of comradery and what not so I think it was one of the two murderous wenches...but not both
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Trial #3
Nov 2, 2014 12:04:47 GMT -8
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Post by The Viscount on Nov 2, 2014 12:04:47 GMT -8
It definitely wasn't both, but both had a part. Only one killed Sen, I'm certain of it. The other simply helped move things around.
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Post by Hereiss Aelori on Nov 2, 2014 12:47:47 GMT -8
I would like to point out that none of our suspects have a solid alibi. Simply being in one's room is not enough to alleviate suspicion from an alibi. What I believe is most important in this trial is not the method of the murder, but rather the choice of victim. I have concluded that the culprit was specifically targeting Sen. The time frame of the murder was incredibly short. Sen left Apollo's room with the intention to return, which means she would have been gone for at most ten minutes. In this timespan the culprit not only located Sen, they executed their murder plan as well. Why specifically kill Sen when there were other people still wandering around, and would have been much easier targets? The culprit took a big risk in killing Sen specifically, and executed a complex murder plan to kill them, which would involve even more risk if they had been caught. Why take so much risk then? I believe the culprit must have been lead by the prophecy note found around the house. The culprit thought that they had no choice but to kill Sen otherwise their murder would not have succeeded. However, if we take Rin's complete disregard for human life into consideration, she probably would not have cared about the prophecy note at all. It's only a feeling, but I don't think Rin can be the culprit. The choice of victim and the amount of risk involved just doesn't feel like an action Rin would take. Regarding the murder itself, there is something I find strange. I searched every room connected to the murder thoroughly, yet I never found any shocking device that you mentioned, Apollo. What leads you to believe that such a device was used at all?
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Post by John Dark Souls on Nov 2, 2014 12:56:32 GMT -8
Hooooooo... So you have an alibi with a single person, before the crime happened and you think that it makes you seem innocent? Isn't that wonderful? But then how about my alibi before the crime with 3 different people all on the 2nd floor away from where the case happened? Let me tell you all that I was doing after the first trial ended.
First of all, when the first trial ended, I immediately went to search the 2nd floor. I went around the rooms in this order: Rec Room (at that time I noted that it had 4 rolls of duct tape and 4 bottles of glue btw), Supply Closet, Bedroom. And at that time, in the Bedroom, I was knocked out by someone, at this point I'm sure everyone knows it was Kaito Kid. After being knocked out I unconscious there for quite a bit of time. At that time I also got my inventory checked by him so he can prove I had nothing connected to this crime then. I did have duct tape, but more than 1 roll of tape was taken from Rec Room so it doesn't necessarily make me the culprit. Afterwards, after getting up, I went to Supply Closet and while I was trying to find a way to open the safe in there, I met Satori-sama a few times. Only afterwards I found that it needed a key and had this strange feeling that they might be in player rooms that I got down to first floor. Until that moment, I don't remember seeing Togami on the 2nd floor even once so he must've been on the first floor. If I remember correctly, at that time, Kaito Kid called for help in the Library, but I had ignored him since he KOed me earlier and continued on my way. I went to Player Room 6 (that was dark for some reason) since I felt that a key might've been there and indeed after scrambling through the drawers I located a single metal key that looked like it was from safe. I returned to the safe in the Supply Closet, but... The safe was already opened and only thing remaining inside was A Dagger 1.5 that I took and had on me at all times and even used here in front of you all to clean Sen's head. After that, I went off to check the new 2 extra rooms opened in the Dorm. And by the time I finished, an announcement came and started ringing throughout the building. I simply spaced out in the Dorm Hall until it finished. After that, I spent some time in my room sorting out my treasures and inventory, you know us cats, always hoarding the toys we like. (especially marbles) After some time, I left my Room and went back to the 2nd floor. I entered the Rec Room and started examining everything in more details. I couldn't help but get very curious about what is inside the pool holes, so I decided to break a chair leg, and carve a perfect ball from it so that I could roll it through the hole in the pool. The carving process took me whole 30 minutes and while I was in the middle of doing it, Hagakure visited the room and can confirm me being there. Sometime after he left, I finished carving the ball and then checked all pool holes with it. Unfortunately they were all empty. I left the wooden ball on the pool table and then went back to my room because I was tired and needed rest. (the light was still on in the 2nd floor at the time btw) That is when I met Togami in the Dorm Hallway. Counting from the amount of time that passed since I parted with Hagakure who must've went straight to his room after seeing me in the Rec Room, Mr. Attorney's testimony of when he parted with Sen and saw Hagakure enter his room and my theory on how the murder happened, I deduce that it must've been right around the time after Sen was murdered and Togami started doing his shady business.
So, if all of these, and mostly Hagakure can admit all of their seeings of me, it makes it impossible for me to have commited the time! And since its simply impossible for Satori-sama to go as low as to commit something like a murder, not to mention that the culprit must've definitely read the Book of Fate at least once and Kaito Kid held it always to himself... And since the person who is close to Kaito Kid to the point of helping him out and most likely had the book shown to him at least once is none other than Togami... My point stays!
Byakuya Togami! Only you can be the culprit of this case!
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